STC Ep. 7: "Embrace The Winds" speculation and discussion....
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In the end the viewer's perception trumps everything, but the direction to the actors in that scene had nothing to do with romance, but rather the thoughts an experienced officer might have about subordinates dying under his command. It was along the lines of "she's young and had a long, promising career ahead of her, but now it's being cut short and there's nothing you can do about it."
Yes, viewer perception trumps, but it here it struck me as a definite callout to TFF given all the other callouts in this episode.
Thanks for your reply, however the second quote attributed to me is actually from someone else. That being said, you make a good point about the viewer's perception. For me, the Scotty/Uhura scene led me to think about romance because of the long pauses between them and it made me feel there was longing there, on both sides. For me, that should not be happening at this point, in their lives, but if this episode was call out crazy as many posters believe, then I can see why that unrequited romance angle would be inserted. Because if they did feel this way, why didn't they act on it? I think if the intention was to foreshadow the Scotty/Uhura romance then an episode or two should be devoted to explaining why they didn't pursue it-if Star Trek Continues is allowed to continue making episodes. Or maybe Continues will have them pursuing it and it didn't work out, but residual feelings are still there decades later.
If anything, I was thinking for a brief second that Uhura would be the one visiting Spock toward the end of the episode instead of Kirk. It could have been an obvious nod to the new films but also the little spark that was there between Uhura and Spock in "Charlie X". Perhaps a brush with death would have emboldened Uhura to attempt to rekindle that spark.
And finally, this is more out there speculation on my part, but I wonder if the show is setting up Chekov/Uhura. Granted the kiss she gave him on the cheek was more sisterly, however Chekov was beaming.
Hmm, then maybe the Commodore's office was part of the February shoot after all?
apparently I'm the only one amused by the irony...for all of the efforts by the STC group to keep their episodes and plot points under wraps and off the internet before their planned releases, they pretty casually dropped a zinger from their former sister production's still-unreleased final webisode in this one...
Can one assume they've started on Episode 8? STC are playing things correctly and they have a good relationship with CBS there's no reason to assume they can't continue
I hope so, Embrace the Winds I thought was very good - all the actors seem comfortable in their roles
What STC does over the next while could also send a signal as to what CBS will actually allow even in light of the recent "guidelines."
I don't follow Starship Farragut as closely. I know they planned to move their setting to the movie era, but nothing else. So they would have a new Farragut and the TOS era is to be decommisioned?
It's not "romance". It's that need for closeness that people crave when they think they're about to die, like Vasquez and Gorman in Aliens.
Yeah. I'm sympathetic towards STC but they are willingly pushing the envelope. Sure, they've indicated they will stop dead in their tracks if CBS orders them to, but at the same time it forces CBS to be the bad-cop.
CBS could justifiably say "no, you can't keep going on because it makes us look like we're picking favorites" or "you can't go on because it will encourage every other fan production to just ignore the rules in the hopes they can just pump out a few more episodes before the C&D."
Either way, STC is in sudden-death overtime and it could end at any moment.
If the Farragut mentioned by Mignona and the Broughton-Farragut are still the same, I guess so now...Farragut the series still has yet to release their final TOS-era episode (''Homecoming'' for which they recently filmed reshoots back in June).
Except the guidelines are not set in cement rules--a distinction apparently lost on many.
Looking back...
Ep. 1, “Pilgrim Of Eternity” **** (4/5)
The Enterprise once again encounters Apollo.
A good and engaging first effort from STC. Impressive production standards in recreating the look and feel of TOS. Although a followup story to TOS’ “Who Mourns For Adonais?” this is a decent redemption story that manages to feel professional in many respects.
Ep. 2, “Lolani” ***** (5/5)
The Enterprise finds an Orion slave girl aboard a derelict ship.
Definitely one of STC’s best efforts while also tackling a topical issue, particularly considering this was STC’s only second outing. While certainly not perfect the overall execution ranks this in the company of better TOS episodes. It impresses as a story TOS could actually have done.
Ep. 3, “Fairest Of Them All” **** (4/5)
In the Mirror Universe the Mirror Spock must deal with the return of the Mirror Kirk and his landing party.
A fannish indulgence as an immediate followup to TOS’ “Mirror, Mirror.” Again though not perfect the overall execution is sufficiently engaging and convincing. It’s unlikely a story TOS would ever have done (although they certainly could have), but one wonders if TOS could have done it significantly better.
Ep. 4, “The White Iris” *** (3/5)
Captain Kirk is seriously injured and subsequently experiences haunting visions.
After a run of admirable efforts STC missteps with a disappointing story more suited to TNG. This is somethingof a followup to previous TOS episodes and attempts to “fix” the character of Kirk and supposedly make him more sympathetic to contemporary viewers, and yet still manages to accomplish nothing. Not actually bad or poor, but truly unengaging.
Ep. 5, “Divided We Stand” *** (3/5)
After an explosion on the bridge Kirk and McCoy find themselves in the midst of the American Civil War.
Impressive production standards and cast performances help lift this story which suffers from some heavy handed and questionable writing giving away the reveal too soon. As such it’s difficult to believe any real sense of jeopardy to the characters.
Ep. 6, “Come Not Between The Dragons” **** (4/5)
A space travelling lifeform boards the Enterprise resulting in the crew becoming mentally unstable.
Not perfect, but an entertaining first contact story that feels very much like something TOS could have done. We also get to see an impressive new alien lifeform. The story also touches on an issue many viewers can identify with.
Ep. 7, “Embracing The Wind” *** (3/5)
Kirk sits in judgment of a fellow Starfleet Officer while the Enterprise tries to retrieve a derelict starship.
The makings of a potentially engaging story are near completely undermined by disappointing writing and questionable creative choices. Good production values, decent performances, good casting of interesting characters along with some other interesting elements are wasted in a story that goes nowhere and resolves nothing one way or another. This is a story TOS potentially could have done (in some form), but this effort lacks the sort of conviction TOS more likely would have had. There is also an over abundance of pointless connect-the-dots references to post TOS productions that serves to defeat any suspension of disbelief of this being a convincing extension of TOS.
In some respects this does feel like something of an extension of TOS' third season.
Ep. 1, “Pilgrim Of Eternity” **** (4/5)
The Enterprise once again encounters Apollo.
A good and engaging first effort from STC. Impressive production standards in recreating the look and feel of TOS. Although a followup story to TOS’ “Who Mourns For Adonais?” this is a decent redemption story that manages to feel professional in many respects.
Ep. 2, “Lolani” ***** (5/5)
The Enterprise finds an Orion slave girl aboard a derelict ship.
Definitely one of STC’s best efforts while also tackling a topical issue, particularly considering this was STC’s only second outing. While certainly not perfect the overall execution ranks this in the company of better TOS episodes. It impresses as a story TOS could actually have done.
Ep. 3, “Fairest Of Them All” **** (4/5)
In the Mirror Universe the Mirror Spock must deal with the return of the Mirror Kirk and his landing party.
A fannish indulgence as an immediate followup to TOS’ “Mirror, Mirror.” Again though not perfect the overall execution is sufficiently engaging and convincing. It’s unlikely a story TOS would ever have done (although they certainly could have), but one wonders if TOS could have done it significantly better.
Ep. 4, “The White Iris” *** (3/5)
Captain Kirk is seriously injured and subsequently experiences haunting visions.
After a run of admirable efforts STC missteps with a disappointing story more suited to TNG. This is somethingof a followup to previous TOS episodes and attempts to “fix” the character of Kirk and supposedly make him more sympathetic to contemporary viewers, and yet still manages to accomplish nothing. Not actually bad or poor, but truly unengaging.
Ep. 5, “Divided We Stand” *** (3/5)
After an explosion on the bridge Kirk and McCoy find themselves in the midst of the American Civil War.
Impressive production standards and cast performances help lift this story which suffers from some heavy handed and questionable writing giving away the reveal too soon. As such it’s difficult to believe any real sense of jeopardy to the characters.
Ep. 6, “Come Not Between The Dragons” **** (4/5)
A space travelling lifeform boards the Enterprise resulting in the crew becoming mentally unstable.
Not perfect, but an entertaining first contact story that feels very much like something TOS could have done. We also get to see an impressive new alien lifeform. The story also touches on an issue many viewers can identify with.
Ep. 7, “Embracing The Wind” *** (3/5)
Kirk sits in judgment of a fellow Starfleet Officer while the Enterprise tries to retrieve a derelict starship.
The makings of a potentially engaging story are near completely undermined by disappointing writing and questionable creative choices. Good production values, decent performances, good casting of interesting characters along with some other interesting elements are wasted in a story that goes nowhere and resolves nothing one way or another. This is a story TOS potentially could have done (in some form), but this effort lacks the sort of conviction TOS more likely would have had. There is also an over abundance of pointless connect-the-dots references to post TOS productions that serves to defeat any suspension of disbelief of this being a convincing extension of TOS.
In some respects this does feel like something of an extension of TOS' third season.
Come on. Vic was saying Alec poisoned the well not that long ago. STC has now interpreted the guidelines in a way to rationalize continuing and there were long threads bemoaning the time-limit, etc.... I'm not going to predict whether STC will or won't be able to continue all the episodes they want to continue, but I'm not going to pretend that they aren't operating under a clear and present risk of C&D.
I think when he said "poisoned the well" he was referring to the willingness of people to donate to fan films. The interview was during the STC Indiegogo campaign, which was underperforming, and before the guidelines existed.
Exactly.
As I said the distinction has apparently been lost on many. The guidelines that that if you do such and such you are most likely safe from CBS' attention. However, the guidelines do not state that if you stray beyond said guidelines you will automatically get hammered by CBS. I think certain guidelines are more "do not cross" than others.
But it wasn't. Not in the script, not in the direction, not by the actors. The viewer can make his own "head canon" about it, of course.
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