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STC Ep. 6: "Come Not Between The Dragons" grading and discussion....(possible spoilers)

How do you rate "Come Not Between The Dragons"?

  • Excellent (5/5)

    Votes: 37 42.5%
  • Good (4/5)

    Votes: 30 34.5%
  • Fair (3/5)

    Votes: 15 17.2%
  • Poor (2/5)

    Votes: 4 4.6%
  • Bad (1/5)

    Votes: 1 1.1%

  • Total voters
    87
I think I'd much rather Vic Mignona played Kirk rather than played Shatner. He seems to be channelling a gestalt version of a pinch of Kirk, a dash of Shatner and a smidgen of Picard and some other influences.
But to date, this is still the closest to an actor actually playing Kirk:
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Not just to be contrary, but I agree, Vic is OK, but Gross, brings a side out that I feel is unique, and not some I ....am....going2b the CAPtain.... I feel Vic is playing to a drinking a game on Shatneresque moments. I do agree that as the creator of the role Shatner set a standard, that is hard not try to copy.
 
That reads as "Vic is OK, but gross" because of that comma I underlined. :D

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Except that comma following Gross never belonged where you put it, Oxford or no. ;)
 
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Got around to seeing this.

It was an intriguing effort. I really liked the overall premise, of a troubled relationship between the alien father and son and the son hiding from the angry father aboard the Enterprise.

The execution was not always to my liking though. I think that the weakest area of the episode was in sickbay. The mini-subplot about the alien's emotion-ray tapping into Spock's buried Vulcan emotions didn't really service the overall episode. It seemed like that would spawn a proper subplot, but then it just fizzled out.

Also, I think that the whole plot could have been tighter. I don't mind that secondary/"Lower Decks"-type characters saved the day (having only the bridge crew matter on a ship of hundreds of experts has always been a problematic aspect of the TOS format), but if that's to be the case, then perhaps making everybody else more definitively dysfunctional sooner would have been the answer, story-wise. Dr. McKennah could simply have been experimenting with the alpha-wave doohickeys when disaster struck, which gave her the opportunity to save herself straightaway, with no need to steal the devices, and thus moving everything along faster and getting more straight to the point. I felt that maintaining the mystery of what the alien was all about created too many segments where nothing significant happened.

The overall message, of the need not to be abusive to our loved ones, was pretty great. The aliens were well executed.

In the poll, I rate the episode as good.
 
Doug Drexler confirmed on Facebook that episode 6 of STC was going to be his last one with the series, regardless of the announced guidelines.
 
That really sucks. He brought such style and professionalism to the show. His effects were always top notch, and this is very disappointing to hear....
 
Nice production values. I loved the alien suit.

Am I the only one who finds some of the dialog mumbly? I had to rewind several times because I couldn't make out what some characters were saying when they spoke low.

My ongoing complaint with fanfilm scripts applies here: again, the characters don't drive the story.
The Captain is purely reactive, and at the climax it's the alien itself that saves the day of its own volition. Kirk's big speech to Spock doesn't feel set up earlier, and the big confessional guest-star message at the end likewise comes out of left field. The entire denouement is too long.

There are also "filler" moments which do nothing to advance the story. McKennah's brawl with Smith is totally unnecessary. You could cut it and it changes the story not one bit.

"Shields down to *yawn*..." Just. Stop.

So, again, nice looking show, but the script quality falls short of the production values.

Finally watched, and pretty much my feelings. Felt like a predictable story I'd seen before (not that it's necessarily a bad thing) but didn't anything new to that 'parent/child' trope. Key characters also felt very reactive rather than pro-active.

But the superb production values continue to impress, and I really enjoy watching a cast who've settled into roles, even if scripts need a bit more wit and humour. There were a couple of scenes, especially on bridge, where I was just waiting for a quip that never came :).

And the principal guest actor (sorry don't know her name) was great. Camera loved her.
 
The Following is from the Star Trek Continues newsletter:

"Dragons" Touched a Nerve with Many Fans

STAR TREK CONTINUES dealt with the sensitive subject of child abuse in its sixth episode, “Come Not Between the Dragons.” Greg Dykstra’s powerful story produced a flood of reactions from fans, many recalling how their own childhood was shaped by an abusive parent.

College student Tim Clark of New Mexico stumbled on STAR TREK CONTINUES after reading about it and other fan-based productions. But it was the story of “Come Not Between the Dragons” that really grabbed his attention.

“My father could be mentally abusive, as he was an alcoholic. When I finally pieced together that this story wasn't about an alien seeking refuge from his people, but rather a son escaping his abusive father, it resonated deeply with me.

“I was one of those people who needed an Eliza Taylor. My father was an alcoholic. He never really physically hurt anyone, or me at all, but for as long as I remember he abused my mother mentally and my brother through neglect,” Clark explains. Eventually, his father and mother split up and Clark’s dad re-married.

“He got better for a while after he remarried, but still he continued to drink. The last time I saw him, he was drunk, crying, broken. He, too, had been someone who needed an Eliza when he was young, and as a result he was self-destructive. After he was arrested for drunk driving, he died in prison.”

Clark was moved by “that beautiful scene where Eliza tells Usdi's father about her experiences with an abusive father, and how he would drive away Usdi unless he changed for the better. “At this point I cried. The ending was so poignant and so true -- and unfortunately not what I had with my father,” Clark said.

35-year STAR TREK fan Chris Muggeo from New York looked at the episode through the eyes of a father, thinking of his own children. He found STC by chance on YouTube. “I had exhausted all of TOS episodes and decided to try a fan film, because I wanted more TOS,” Muggeo says matter-of-factly.

Episode Six “rang close to home for me. I, like many others, am a dad. And I’m not perfect. I didn’t read the manual that came with my kids when I got them from the stork. Both of my kids are extremely intelligent, and sometimes because of their intelligence, I forget that they are just kids. And like kids they make mistakes, challenge us and test the waters to see how much they can get away with. I’m not going to lie -- often times I yelled louder and longer than I should have. Thankfully, we are very close with lots of love. As they grow and learn, I’m learning as well.

“The reconciliation between father and son in the episode was beautiful, Muggeo said. “Episode Six allowed me to revisit this time in my life and see it as an outsider. It let me see what my son was going through as a result of my ignorance and short fuse. I can’t lie -- I cried. And to top it all off I watched it on Father’s Day."

Texas fan Christian Bradley was also moved to tears by “Come Not Between the Dragons.”

“This whole episode was brilliant. Definitely my favorite of what's been produced thus far. I've been a STAR TREK fan my entire 33 years. I grew up with a big time STAR TREK fan for a dad. When I was little, staying up late and watching new Star Trek: The Next Generation and The Original Series rerun episodes with him was one of our ‘things.’”

Bradley wrote to STC right after viewing the episode. “I have to say, I was moved to tears. I grew up in a childhood much like Usdi's. My mother was physically, emotionally, and psychologically abusive. And it's taken a lot to get healthy as the result of it. Usdi and Ensign Taylor were characters that I identify with strongly.

“As someone that has suffered abuse at the hands of a parent, I felt such a bond with Usdi. I also enjoyed that the story was a portrayal of how child abuse situations could turn out, instead of how they most often are. I loved that Ensign Taylor was able to reach Usdi's father.

“Taylor understands that Usdi's father is broken himself, and urges him to find help and heal. It was actually pretty wonderful that she took that route, rather than scolding or the Enterprise hurting the father for hurting the child. You drove home a very healthy and positive message: monsters are people, just hurting and damaged people. They do love their children. It's just that hurt people hurt people. And should you find you are the monster, you can change,” Bradley said.

“I love and appreciate how the episode addresses a struggle I've lived through, and it gives me hope for others living through abuse now and it gives me hope for the abusers. Hope that they can change, for the sake of their children,” Bradley said. Episode Six “hit home for me in a powerful way. If that's not authentic STAR TREK, I don't know what is.”
 
Just finished watching this one. For me, probably the weakest of the episodes to this point. (I was sort of in the middle on the Civil War one.) There was some good things here and still very much feels within the "vibe" of Trek but some of the story elements didn't work with me. Like the lady crewman... Were we supposed to always know she had an abusive past? (And, I dunno. The idea of that seems to conflict with where humanity is supposed to be at at this point.) I think the "cheapness" of the effects here worked more against the episode than usual when it came to the alien creature and some of the exterior shots of the ship contrasted with the notion of this supposing to be a Season 4 episode of TOS made in 1969/1970. Even if we accept it as an episode "remastered" along with the rest of the franchise a few years ago.

But, still good moments in it with Spock and Kirk (sort of taking on the look/demeanor of his Mirror Universe counterpart.) For me probably the weakest of the episodes but not by much and only because something has to be.
 
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