Starting to get Lost - cos people keep telling me to
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No, we know Locke had the right day because of what Sawyer saw. It was just a production error.
"Born to Run" - I always like to see more of smart Kate, so this is nice. Good to find out why the toy plane matters to her, but this really was more a question-raising episode: How did the plane get from there to the bank vault? What did she do to make her mother so panicked? And it's bloody annoying that, with only two episodes to go, I know I'm unlikely to find out more this season...
Also, the Locke/Jack confrontation brought up a point that I'd been thinking about for a while, and which did need reminding: who owes who reports. Who's in charge, and all that.
The hatch, now partly excavated, makes me think of the Martian ship from Quatermass And The Pit.
Now onto Exodus Part I, and Mira Furlan is back, still hot, to warn that "the Others" are coming (I presume the others to be Ethan's people, and some kind of pirates or the like. Let's find out...)
Also, the Locke/Jack confrontation brought up a point that I'd been thinking about for a while, and which did need reminding: who owes who reports. Who's in charge, and all that.
The hatch, now partly excavated, makes me think of the Martian ship from Quatermass And The Pit.
Now onto Exodus Part I, and Mira Furlan is back, still hot, to warn that "the Others" are coming (I presume the others to be Ethan's people, and some kind of pirates or the like. Let's find out...)
You're not going to get any more Kate info for about ten eps. Don't hold your breath.
Well, in the finale you'll find out what the plane was doing at the bank, but that's not important. Then again, nothing that woman does is important, and she just doesn't have the likeability of Hurley to excuse the waste of screen-time. The godsdamn horse episode is the stupidest thing Lost ever did, except maybe for the tattoo episode. 
The tattoo episode confirmed my uniqueness and specialness in the world. You see, I liked the tattoo episode. I am the only one. Out of six billion people. The tattoo episode is therefore like my own, personal episode of Lost that none of the rest of you get to enjoy. How many of you can claim that they made an episode of Lost just for you? None of you, that's right.
On the other hand, my strange predilection for one-off stories and romantic montages isolates me from the rest of the Lost fan community. I walk among you, but ... wait, I've already been told once to knock that off.
On the other hand, my strange predilection for one-off stories and romantic montages isolates me from the rest of the Lost fan community. I walk among you, but ... wait, I've already been told once to knock that off.
Well, in the finale you'll find out what the plane was doing at the bank, but that's not important. Then again, nothing that woman does is important, and she just doesn't have the likeability of Hurley to excuse the waste of screen-time. The godsdamn horse episode is the stupidest thing Lost ever did, except maybe for the tattoo episode.
I'd say that the tattoo episode was better the second time around.
I don't get it either, and the Evangeline Lilly hate is even more inexplicable. She's been nothing but courteous to the fans for the last five years.
I thought it was worse. The first time through I could at least claim that we were getting titbits of information about the Others, and we were being introduced to that new sheriff character, but when you rewatch the show afterwards you realise how almost nothing from that episode carried over to the rest of the show.
I have nothing against Evangeline Lilly, she's just an actor playing a role and it's not her fault that her character happens to be self-involved, unrepentant and stupid. The toy plane episode is a perfect example of that, she hands over a case filled with guns and ammunition to the least trustworthy person on the island for absolutely no reason, then she tries to steal it from him. When she finally does get it back all she cares about is the toy plane from the guy whose life she was content to ruin, and for whose death she is responsible for, but she still refused to turn herself in to the authorities for the original crime that she committed.
It doesn't help that her episodes tend to be crap and get in the way of the plot.
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There seem to be two Kates, really - Smart Kate the smooth supercriminal, and Sawyer-bait Kate the bimbo with the intellectual focus of a goldfish... I really like the first one, but the second... well, at least she still looks hot.
So, "Exodus" with more Mira Furlan (always a good thing, even if her character is barking.) Watched both halves together, so I'm going to comment on them as all one thing rather than separately.
So, Rousseau... It was her who tried to feel up Claire's bump that time? Weird. Oh, and the spray at the coast of of Hawaii must be colder than I imagined, judging by the peanut-smuggling going on...
Strange that the three options for dealing with the Others were "run, hide or die", and nobody said "can I take option 4- kill them first?"
The Black Rock isn't what we expected (that would have been a spooky location with some kind of black rock). Lesley immediately thought a pirate ship then a prison ship. I called it as a slave ship, but it would have made more sense to be a convict ship (given the Australian bent of the series)
I may be weird, cos when the chemistry teacher exploded in mid-sentence, and Lesley jumped and screamed, I laughed my ass off. Luckily there was plenty of intentional wit on show as well...
I like that we saw some more varied flashbacks, some of which tied up a few minor character points (especially the Jin/Sun and Michael/Walt ones). And we sort of found out how the toy plane got in the bank vault. It's also interesting we sort of come full circle with all the characters mixing more and more in the airport- which only makes sense as they're all in the same lounge waiting for the same flight. Except Hurley, of course.
Speaking of whom, and his perceived curse. It seems to me that if some power is having a go at him, it's more like a guardian angel, trying to stop him boarding the doomed plane. (And probably giving up and going to some heavenly bar in the end, shaking its head). Interesting also to see the numbers on the hatch - the same numbers in the broadcast the French replaced, and on his lottery numbers.
Oh, and I noted a blooper! When Hurley's repeating the numbers to himself in the jungle, he lists the last number as 44, not 42!
I continue to like Charlie as well - definitely hoping he wouldn't fall off the wagon and take any of the Nigerian cargo, and still hoping he won't use any of it. I'm also glad to see him take the same view as me that Saiyid would have a knowledge of field medicine of improvisational sorts, considering his line of work.
We finally got to see the monster- a strange little flying smoke trail - but it's pretty clear that it's only the visual part of what Rousseau called the security system, and that the *actual* mechanical-sounding tree-destroying part is some kind of underground root system. I wonder if any other old-school Dr Who fans got a "city of the Exxilons" vibe when it tried to drag Locke away.(Obviously he thought it wasn't going to kill him because it didn't last time he saw it...)
My respect for Locke dropped a little when he started coming over all "man of faith" though. He used to be the sensible practical one.
The Others were... Remarkably underwhelming. Four pirates led by what looks like the old sailor from The Simpsons. *They're* what Rousseau was shitting bricks about? Fuck off. Still, I figured they'd be some sort of pirates, and when Rousseau said they were coming for the child I twigged they meant Walt, who has some sort of clairvoyance... Lesley at first thought the same as Charlie, that there were no Others and Rousseau made them up to get the baby, but I figured they'd be Ethan's mob. Nice cliffhanger on the part of the raft-goers, though I suspect that almost any other character except Sawyer would have actually been able to fight them off successfully.
Overall it was a pretty decent finale, and ending on the depth of the shaft in the hatch works. I was surprised not to have any other survivors from the ass-end of the plane turn up, as I sort of thought that would be a part of the cliffhanger.
The music was among the best of the series, especially when the raft left (hey, a shame they didn't know about the Black Rock and just roll that down!), and it was nice that Jin and Sun got some measure of reconcialition - they deserve that.
Anyhow, I'm now somewhat frustrated that it'll be the end of the month before I can get a hold of season 2... But I'll continue this when I do (unless the thread drops off the board by then and I have to start a new one)
I'll post my thoughts on the various characters shortly as well - likes and dislikes...
So, "Exodus" with more Mira Furlan (always a good thing, even if her character is barking.) Watched both halves together, so I'm going to comment on them as all one thing rather than separately.
So, Rousseau... It was her who tried to feel up Claire's bump that time? Weird. Oh, and the spray at the coast of of Hawaii must be colder than I imagined, judging by the peanut-smuggling going on...
Strange that the three options for dealing with the Others were "run, hide or die", and nobody said "can I take option 4- kill them first?"
The Black Rock isn't what we expected (that would have been a spooky location with some kind of black rock). Lesley immediately thought a pirate ship then a prison ship. I called it as a slave ship, but it would have made more sense to be a convict ship (given the Australian bent of the series)
I may be weird, cos when the chemistry teacher exploded in mid-sentence, and Lesley jumped and screamed, I laughed my ass off. Luckily there was plenty of intentional wit on show as well...
I like that we saw some more varied flashbacks, some of which tied up a few minor character points (especially the Jin/Sun and Michael/Walt ones). And we sort of found out how the toy plane got in the bank vault. It's also interesting we sort of come full circle with all the characters mixing more and more in the airport- which only makes sense as they're all in the same lounge waiting for the same flight. Except Hurley, of course.
Speaking of whom, and his perceived curse. It seems to me that if some power is having a go at him, it's more like a guardian angel, trying to stop him boarding the doomed plane. (And probably giving up and going to some heavenly bar in the end, shaking its head). Interesting also to see the numbers on the hatch - the same numbers in the broadcast the French replaced, and on his lottery numbers.
Oh, and I noted a blooper! When Hurley's repeating the numbers to himself in the jungle, he lists the last number as 44, not 42!
I continue to like Charlie as well - definitely hoping he wouldn't fall off the wagon and take any of the Nigerian cargo, and still hoping he won't use any of it. I'm also glad to see him take the same view as me that Saiyid would have a knowledge of field medicine of improvisational sorts, considering his line of work.
We finally got to see the monster- a strange little flying smoke trail - but it's pretty clear that it's only the visual part of what Rousseau called the security system, and that the *actual* mechanical-sounding tree-destroying part is some kind of underground root system. I wonder if any other old-school Dr Who fans got a "city of the Exxilons" vibe when it tried to drag Locke away.(Obviously he thought it wasn't going to kill him because it didn't last time he saw it...)
My respect for Locke dropped a little when he started coming over all "man of faith" though. He used to be the sensible practical one.
The Others were... Remarkably underwhelming. Four pirates led by what looks like the old sailor from The Simpsons. *They're* what Rousseau was shitting bricks about? Fuck off. Still, I figured they'd be some sort of pirates, and when Rousseau said they were coming for the child I twigged they meant Walt, who has some sort of clairvoyance... Lesley at first thought the same as Charlie, that there were no Others and Rousseau made them up to get the baby, but I figured they'd be Ethan's mob. Nice cliffhanger on the part of the raft-goers, though I suspect that almost any other character except Sawyer would have actually been able to fight them off successfully.
Overall it was a pretty decent finale, and ending on the depth of the shaft in the hatch works. I was surprised not to have any other survivors from the ass-end of the plane turn up, as I sort of thought that would be a part of the cliffhanger.
The music was among the best of the series, especially when the raft left (hey, a shame they didn't know about the Black Rock and just roll that down!), and it was nice that Jin and Sun got some measure of reconcialition - they deserve that.
Anyhow, I'm now somewhat frustrated that it'll be the end of the month before I can get a hold of season 2... But I'll continue this when I do (unless the thread drops off the board by then and I have to start a new one)
I'll post my thoughts on the various characters shortly as well - likes and dislikes...
I wish I could comment more but it is hard for me to remember what's happened up to the point you've seen. The show has such an inter-connected feel that it is hard to mentally break it up into seasons, it's more like one big giant story with no end (yet!).
Anyway, I really liked the season 1 finale and it was hard waiting for season 2 to begin. The scene on the raft was very creepy.
By the way, I couldn't remember what happened in the season 2 finale of Lost so I went to Google and just typed in "season 2 finale" with no mention of this show and the episode's Wikipedia page came up as the fourth result. Haha!
Anyway, I really liked the season 1 finale and it was hard waiting for season 2 to begin. The scene on the raft was very creepy.
By the way, I couldn't remember what happened in the season 2 finale of Lost so I went to Google and just typed in "season 2 finale" with no mention of this show and the episode's Wikipedia page came up as the fourth result. Haha!
First you'd have to find them. That's the hard part. Then comes the hard part, which is killing them. Locke could probably take a few of them out, but he's obsessed with the hatch and would take any excuse to open it. Rousseau could also kill a few, but hunting Others might endanger Alex, so she wouldn't get involved. The only tough guys left are Sawyer, Jin, Sayid, and maybe Charlie. Even if you could get all of them together, there's no way they could operate effectively as a jungle reconnaissance/assault force.
I need to rewatch S1, but I think he was only sensible insofar as circumstances allowed him to live out his survivalist fantasy. Now his delusions have evolved into a hatch-opening fantasy. He's not sensible, he's just an eccentric whose eccentricities were, briefly, appropriate to the situations at hand. I'm sure some will disagree with me. Good luck figuring out John Locke.
I was very nearly overwhelmed, and remain whelmed to this day. I find the idea of gross hillbilly pirate perverts kidnapping children even scarier than the Monster, personally.
Checkmate
Commodore
The Others we saw earlier in the series, much like the Dharma Initiative, were really cool, mysterious, and intimidating forces on the Island. The moment the writers started focusing on them, however, they became completely inept and bumbling boobs. That's my only real issue about the series as a whole. 
I'm especially disappointed with how Dharma turned out.
I'm especially disappointed with how Dharma turned out.
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Ah, poor Arzt. I really liked him and was upset when he blew up. Luckily for me, death does stop characters from returning on this show.
Locke being the sensible one is debatable. He was right about many things in the first season, but his judgement is heavily dependant upon his need to feel special combined with whatever it was he saw back in Walkabout. He believes in his special destiny, and whether or not he has a greater purpose is one of the big questions in the series, one that we still don't fully have an answer to. Right now he believes that his destiny is to be found within the hatch. He may well be right.
The beard is a lie.
It does work brilliantly, but it also made me scream out because I knew I was going to have to wait three months for the show to come back. I just knew that when it did come back they were probably going to dick around for 5 episodes building a ladder before showing us what's in the hatch. I both loved and hated the writers for that ending.
I don't know, I think each season has a distinct feel to it.
Season 1: The survivors/the hatch
Season 2: The button/the tailies
Season 3: The Others
Season 4: The freighter/Oceanic 6
Season 5: The return/Dharma
Season 6: MIB vs Jacob
Season 7: The zombie season
Season 3: The Others
Season 4: The freighter/Oceanic 6
Season 5: The return/Dharma
Season 6: MIB vs Jacob
Season 7: The zombie season
Shhhhh!
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You've just confirmed that the Others and the Dharma Initiative are two separate entities, and that's a huge spoiler. Remember, all through season 2 a popular assumption was that they were the same, or that the Others were the remnants of Dharma. Not to mention that fact that the Dharma Initiative hasn't been introduced to the audience yet. It might be a good idea to edit your post and hope that Lonemagpie didn't read it.
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And Jack and Locke, two strangers, exchange friendly nods.
Yeah, my take on Locke watching his evolution in season one is that the more things happen to validate and reinforce his faith in the island, the crazier his faith gets. I think Deus Ex Machina especially sent him down a the road of faith completely.
Please do. I've really enjoyed reading these. In fact, feel free to continue discussing season one with us, and we'll keep this thread alive and spoiler-free.
For what it's worth, season two is my favorite of the series, tied with season five. You're in for a ride.
Re: Hurley's numbers, did you notice, Lonemagpie, any other instances where the numbers appear? The numbers were on the hatch, the reward for getting Kate was $23,000, Jack was sitting in seat 23 (23A or 23B, I can't remember) the plane was flight 815...
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