Noooo, not another crappy Starship Troopers sequel! The first movie was classic, but the two sequels were just terrible. Why they even bothered making them is beyond me.
Starship Troopers 4 commissioned as fully CGI animated
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If the military must accept anyone who signs up (as it does in the novel), then that, by definition, is no restriction. If anyone can serve, and anyone who serves can vote, then anyone can vote.
It is called the "Universal Declaration of Human Rights".
The Declaration makes no provision of such a requirement, and rightfully so, considering the necessity for principled refusal to take part in a military service. Regardless, you contradict yourself:
Restrictions on active duty servicepeople making political statements is all well and good, but they still have the right to vote.
Did every world leader sign the Declaration? Umm, no.
What the Declaration is, is a bunch of people (mainly Europeans and Americans) who are expressing their preference as to how they believe things should be. Others believe differently. Just because you believe the same thing does truly make it Universal.
You want it to apply universally. I understand, I even sympathize. I agree with Churchill, democracy is the least bad form of government out there.
Of course if you truly want the Declaration to have a chance of coming into being, the UN is not going to do it. The UN is pretty much a dictators club and debating society. The democracies of the world need to establish a political and economic alliance. Membership would be restricted to democracies who would then reap the benefits. Any nation would be welcome to join, as long as they were a democracy.
Then we would only have to deal with the corruption that inevitably plagues a democracy. At least dictators don't pretend thay are not corrupt.
At least dictators don't pretend thay are not corrupt.
This is either a joke or spectacularly ill-observed.
Not only do dictators generally pretend that they are not corrupt, they make it as hard as they can on anyone who won't co-sign their bullshit.
What a lot of people call "corruption" and "hypocrisy" are phenomena that are symptomatic of an open culture that tolerates ambiguity and provisional solutions to problems. You can take steps to minimize them but not eliminate them without eliminating freedom.
The first film is my all-time favorite movie, and I greatly enjoyed the animated series, and ST3 was not as bad as many say, because it actually DID have elements from the original novel in it, so I am more than willing to give this fourth film a go... I'm interested to see what they do with it.
Sorry, Dennis, but you're incorrect on a number of points.
Some points about the book:
1. It is implied that "Service equals citizenship" came into being following a nasty war in which US soldiers were sold out by a "chickenhawk" administration that had got them into a war and then sold them out - a situation that strongly reminded me of Iraq. The soldiers came home angry over this and decided that they would not let that happen again.
Deriving from this was the belief that those who had invested time in government service would care about what happened to that government and would thus make better decisions because they had put some of their lives into running it.
2. EVERYONE had the opportunity to serve, regardless of handicap. Therefore the franchise was not restricted at all.
3. Not all service was military. In the book, Johnny's friend Carl was about as militant as David Marcus, and joined up as a researcher (and was later presumed killed).
I suggest that folks actually read the book before commenting on it. Verhoeven didn't, and look what happened.
Shinji Aramaki to Direct CG Starship Troopers Film
How is it that 1 year later the news pops up again?
http://twitchfilm.com/news/2011/10/...ng-on-animated-starship-troopers-invasion.php
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Well it sounds like a lot of deep space ship locales. Similar to Alien3 & Alien Resurrection I guess.
I'll probably see it on DVD.
How is it that 1 year later the news pops up again?
There is a poster here at the link too.
http://twitchfilm.com/news/2011/10/...ng-on-animated-starship-troopers-invasion.php
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http://www.shocktillyoudrop.com/news/topnews.php?id=21402
Well it sounds like a lot of deep space ship locales. Similar to Alien3 & Alien Resurrection I guess.
I'll probably see it on DVD.
"Paranormal"? What, is Carl a Ghostbuster now?
Exactly. Like I said, Federal Service does not always equal combat. People can join up and take any job that suits them. Cooks, accountants, clerks, programmers, whatever - there's plenty of opportunities for the equivalent of conscientious objectors.
This is not made clear in the movie, of course, but that's because the movie was a satire/parody of the book. Of course you'd expect Verhoeven to ignore any parts of said book that would contradict said satire.
Exactly. Like I said, Federal Service does not always equal combat. People can join up and take any job that suits them. Cooks, accountants, clerks, programmers, whatever - there's plenty of opportunities for the equivalent of conscientious objectors.
This is not made clear in the movie, of course, but that's because the movie was a satire/parody of the book. Of course you'd expect Verhoeven to ignore any parts of said book that would contradict said satire.
IMHO, one must read the book in order to understand why the movie is a joke/satire.
^ I meant the fans, actually. Should have been more clear on that. 
Although since Verhoeven admitted he never read the whole book, then by definition, how can the movie be an effective satire? Shouldn't it cover the whole thing?
Although since Verhoeven admitted he never read the whole book, then by definition, how can the movie be an effective satire? Shouldn't it cover the whole thing?
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this sounds good. anyone have a release date?
Could be fun. I love the sequels as campy b-movies; enjoyable if you just watch them in a "so bad it's good" mindset and don't worry about how it contacts to the original book. The 1st swings from over the top satire to serious in a way that works to highlight the absurdity of the world the character inhabit. And as a tech-geek I really love the Rodger Young class cruisers and the drop ships attached to them.
The Rodger Young and her sisters are really pretty ships. But the dropships always struck me as a couple of cargo containers strapped under an ugly bit of thrusters and cockpit, with the result being horribly ugly. The dropship from Aliens was infinitely more interesting from a design viewpoint.
One of the reasons I like 'em is cause they're ugly. Can't explain why, other than they look like workhorses.
The satire is there, the production quality is not.
You kind of do, the first time a saw the movie knowing it got good reviews, my reaction was "What the hell did I just watch?"
