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As she skidded along, the secondary hull was sheered off hitting the shore line, the saucer kept on going, the nose was caught and up ended the whole thing.
And the "gap" is much bigger, the part of the building that Khan lands on is only really half way down the cutut, he skids some distance before the shadow of the hull resumes across the building.
As she skidded along, the secondary hull was sheered off hitting the shore line, the saucer kept on going, the nose was caught and up ended the whole thing.
And the "gap" is much bigger, the part of the building that Khan lands on is only really half way down the cutut, he skids some distance before the shadow of the hull resumes across the building.
Why do you ignore the "evidence" from the movie: one of the only times we actually get a quoted length for scale. He jumps from the bridge, across the gap (approx 30m), and slides down the saucer. It doesn't matter how much of the saucer is exposed or whatnot.
Oh, and one more point: Scotty sizes up the airlock door on the Vengeance. "About 4 square metres", which puts them at 2.5m across (as I estimated for the ones on the Enterprise).
Why do you ignore the "evidence" from the movie: one of the only times we actually get a quoted length for scale. He jumps from the bridge, across the gap (approx 30m), and slides down the saucer. It doesn't matter how much of the saucer is exposed or whatnot.
I believe Chemahkuu dealt with that. You might also want to refer back to THIS PICTURE.
Oh, and one more point: Scotty sizes up the airlock door on the Vengeance. "About 4 square metres", which puts them at 2.5m across (as I estimated for the ones on the Enterprise).
Comparing an airlock on the Vengeance with an escape pod launcher on the Enterprise (which I'd already proven days ago has an interior hatch far smaller than its outer collar) somehow means something...? When we saw an Enterprise airlock at the start of the film, and it's 2m height matched the exterior windows just as I've been saying all this time? And when you've still had no counter to the first size-establishing diagram I posted?
And when you admitted this yourself in another thread?
You immediately handicap the latter by its limited budget, special effects, and the fact the production crew could care less whether the model matched the sets.
The sets fit the size of the original. The comparison is valid.
In my opinion the original's size was quite good, but I don't mind the increase in size for the new timeline. And there is no doubt that it's about 725m long. The shots of the bridge from the exterior, the size of engineering and of the shuttlebay are 'proof' of that.
I just saw the movie yesterday. For some reason it seemed like in some of the outside panning shots into and around the bridge window (and other exterior areas) I got the feeling that they may have tried to visually reduce the size of the Enterprise by about 10-15%. Just seemed a little smaller to me overall.
Also, did anyone notice a change in the design of the ship at the end of the movie?
The impulse engines now wrap further around the back rim of the saucer.
I'm sure there's more, but I'll probably have to wait for the disc to find them.
In other words you are plugging your ears and yelling really loud. But that doesn't prevent you from noticing that the engine room is far too big for the TMP enterprise, right ?
I mean, I like to nitpick and all, and I would prefer if the size had been consistent with the previous entries, but a fact's a fact, and my wishes do not change that.
It looks like a 2x scale increase from the old Enterprise
I just saw the movie yesterday. For some reason it seemed like in some of the outside panning shots into and around the bridge window (and other exterior areas) I got the feeling that they may have tried to visually reduce the size of the Enterprise by about 10-15%. Just seemed a little smaller to me overall.
Also, did anyone notice a change in the design of the ship at the end of the movie?
The impulse engines now wrap further around the back rim of the saucer.
I'm sure there's more, but I'll probably have to wait for the disc to find them.
Now that you mention it, ships at warp aren't actually moving in space. Space is moving around them (making Scotty's comment about transwarp beaming in the first movie patently ridiculous.)
Any number of temporal incursions could have happened after all the events of pre-2009 Trek and before Spock Prime went back in time, in order to set up any differences that might exist in the Kelvin era versus what existed in the pre-Pike era of the original The Cage.
In fact, I always take Enterprise's NX-01 to be a result of Cochrane's exposure to 24th century time travelers, borg and 1701-E. In this respect it's quite possible that the Kelvin is simply another result of that.
If you look at the screencap, there seems to be blue light coming from the depressions in the front end of the nacelles. I was under the impression that it was dark before. Maybe there are other small cosmetic changes.
If you look at the screencap, there seems to be blue light coming from the depressions in the front end of the nacelles. I was under the impression that it was dark before. Maybe there are other small cosmetic changes.
If you look at the screencap, there seems to be blue light coming from the depressions in the front end of the nacelles. I was under the impression that it was dark before. Maybe there are other small cosmetic changes.
I just saw the movie yesterday. For some reason it seemed like in some of the outside panning shots into and around the bridge window (and other exterior areas) I got the feeling that they may have tried to visually reduce the size of the Enterprise by about 10-15%. Just seemed a little smaller to me overall.
Also, did anyone notice a change in the design of the ship at the end of the movie?
The impulse engines now wrap further around the back rim of the saucer.
I'm sure there's more, but I'll probably have to wait for the disc to find them.
The Enterprise took a severe beating from the Vengeance and could not even fire back once, the repair dock had its work cut out for them. I'm not sure why the studio wanted to revise the impulse engines which were only a few years old in design, I doubt that most viewers would notice or even care.
