Starship Evolution and Morphology

Discussion in 'Trek Tech' started by CuttingEdge100, Dec 27, 2011.

  1. CuttingEdge100

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    I was thinking of an idea based around the shapes of spaceships in Star Trek based on technological advances.

    I was thinking that the best theoretical shape for a warp-capable vessel would be a teardrop shape for the hull with a ring around it for a warp-engine. Depending on the exact specifications of the ship and the required equipment (thrusters, impulse-engines for example), the shape would not necessarily be perfectly along these lines, but as close as possible. As technology improves in the storyline, the new vessels take on changes with form following function.

    The structures that would undergo changes would of course be the following.
    • I: Warp Engines
    • II: Hull/Pylons
    • III: Navigational Deflector
    I: Warp Engines

    Firstly: The ability to produce engines that would generate powerful warp-fields that are further out from the ship that subject the hull to less tidal forces and allow ships to take more liberal shapes and configurations

    Secondly: The shape of the ring could remain as such like how the Vulcans did in ST:ENT, or can transition progressively to nacelles.

    For example, the ring could alter into a ring with nacelle-like structures spaced evenly along the ring. These structures would produce the bulk of the field, with the distribution structures in the ring to smooth out the field. This would allow the individual nacelle like structures to be replaced without having to remove the whole ring. The ring can become flattened with two nacelles at the tips, similar in shape to the Romulan Warbird.

    Eventually the distribution ring could fade away or be retained as a hull-structure and beefed up as necessary (wings on the Romulan BOP, D'Deridex, Klingon ships, etc) with the warp engines becoming nacelles which can generate and evenly distribute the whole warp-field effectively. The complexity of the system would be more complex, but the nacelles could be much more easily replaced, and installed. Three or four-nacelles could be more useful as a better distribution can be produced, eventually two or even one could do the job so long as the field could cover the whole vessel.

    II: Hull/Pylons

    Firstly, the hull would start out as close to a tear-drop as possible in most likelihood with provisions for navigational deflectors, thrusters, impulse engines, and what else the design requires.

    Secondly as warp engines are produced that can produce a larger warp-bubble subjecting the vessel to less extreme tidal forces, the vessel can take on simpler shapes which permit greater room such as a more cylindrical shaped structure, this can allow for more fuel, more reactor room, more space for cargo, and a shuttle bay. Also, the forward hull can enlarge into a bigger section similar to the spherical hull on the Daedalus class allowing more crew, fuel, storage space. This circular spherical structure can technically flatten and widen to varying degrees into a larger lenticular (flying saucer) shape if necessary.

    Thirdly the ship can eventually become a twin-hulled (or multi-hulled) configuration with one hull designed to separate into a self-propelled shielded lifeboat. In most practicality the command and control areas, sick-bay, crew-quarters, impulse-engines would best be located in the detachable section. This would leave the warp-engines, the primary engineering area, the warp-engine reactors, and shuttle-bays, on what would now be called the secondary hull. The vessels primary navigational deflectors could be mounted on the primary hull, or on the secondary hull, though some form of nav-deflector (back-up or primary) should be mounted on the secondary hull.

    As for pylons, this would largely revolve around the engine design. On an annular warp-ring, the pylons would connect the hull/secondary-hull to the ring, on designs that would involve nacelles, they would also be connected to the primary-hull in a similar fashion. Pylons or booms could also be used on twin-hulled ships to connect the primary and secondary hulls such as is used on the Daedalus and Constitution-Class starships.

    III: Navigational Deflectors

    This can be located almost anywhere on the front of the vessel. More often than not, it's located right in the front. Some ships have auxiliary deflectors however (such as the Constitution Class)

    What do you think?
     
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  2. ngc7293

    ngc7293 Commander Red Shirt

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    Ships like the Miranda Class and the Constellation Class didn't have a Navigational Deflector and so used other methods. Note, the Constitution class had its Deflector dish on the Engineering hull. As far as I know it didn't have a secondary dish. The secondary dish was popular in ships like the Intrepid (even it had the primary in the engineering hull and the secondary in the nose of the ship. The Steamrunner, another odd ship had its Nav Deflector mounted between the nacelles at the back of the ship.
     
  3. CuttingEdge100

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    ngc7293

    True enough, but you have to keep in mind a number of factors

    1.) The Miranda-Class was originally designed upside down. The torpedo tube area was down-below and may have very well been intended to be a nav-deflector. The engines were supposed to be up-top. An error was made and Harve Bennett thought it was supposed to be inverted and signed off on it.

    2.) Regardless, prior to TMP, the parabolic dent on the D-7 was supposed to be a sensor and navigational deflector dish. In TMP they somehow ended up making it a torpedo tube (the aft tube was shaped similar to the forward tube).

    There were three circular windows up front which have been described as such.

    The Steamrunner's deflector is mounted forward. It's located very far back but hangs down.
     
  4. ngc7293

    ngc7293 Commander Red Shirt

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    If you are going to make a topic based on 'in Universe' wouldn't it be a good idea to keep out "out of universe" information? It is quite likely that 'in universe' the Miranda Class was designed with a Roll-bar and Nacelles below


    You have No basis for your information.
    No one does. There are no MSDs. But although it didn't have the secondary deflector that we are all used to if you look at the main dish and consider what it looks like, I would think that a secondary dish would look similar to it, not a set of windows at the front of the ship.
     
  5. CuttingEdge100

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    Not really. Actually, when Roddenberry and Jeffries designed the Enterprise they assumed the ship should have certain fundamental characteristics of which some are beyond the scope of this thread, but three items include...

    1.) Sub-Light Propulsion: Generally impulse engines to push the ship along though theoretically warp could be used at low power
    2.) Navigational Deflectors: From low/med sub-light speeds on up to warp
    3.) Warp-Engines: To allow the ship to fly FTL

    The Enterprise was the most thought out design, which therefore means the most accurate design and with these features deemed essential, there's no good reason to state that they wouldn't be essential on other ships. The D-7 interestingly also has a parabolic dent up front. Originally, this was supposed to be a navigational deflector/sensor-dish like the Enterprise. In TMP they decided to re-make it a photon-torpedo tube, but the fact is that it was originally intended to be a navigational-deflector -- I guess they forgot.
     
  6. sojourner

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    ^Call them whatever you want. there is no canon function given, least of all "secondary deflector".
     
  7. ngc7293

    ngc7293 Commander Red Shirt

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    Tell you what I will leave it at "I will never agree with you" :lol:
    Whether Gene said anything doesn't matter because it wasn't said on screen. As long as Trek plays by the "only on TV or Movie for canon" rules instead of Star Wars' everything counts for canon, then were stuck speculating what is what.
     
  8. CuttingEdge100

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    To the moderators: Please delete this thread as I'm planning on creating a better thread that would be better off than this thread, or the result of merging this thread with my new thread.

    Thank you
     
  9. TIN_MAN

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    Actually this cuts both ways, there's no on-screen evidence (at least in TOS) to indicate what the dish at the front of the secondary hull is for either; only fan speculation that it is/was a sensor deflector combo. And as far as the three little "windows" at the front of the primary hull go, they look suspiciously like small versions of the TMP "deflector dish" to me? Which feature, by the way, looks rather like a large spotlight and is also not specified on-screen as any sort of deflector, at least in the TOS movies. :p
     
  10. sojourner

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    You need to PM the moderator. They don't read every post.