• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Spoilers Starship Design in Star Trek: Picard

^^^ yeah, mine was just a general point, in light of the preceding discussion which included the Kelvin timeline (I realise that Discovery is set in the ‘Prime timeline).

So yes, for Discovery era Federation starships, orange bussards is preferable.
 
Fan edit, with properly designed ships:

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.
Now this was the payoff I would have liked in the finale. Waited all season for a decent Starfleet ship depiction. While I appreciate the story being told I am not above a little starship pr0n either! What we got was very unsatisfying.
 
Now this was the payoff I would have liked in the finale. Waited all season for a decent Starfleet ship depiction. While I appreciate the story being told I am not above a little starship pr0n either! What we got was very unsatisfying.

Yeah me too
 
That doesn't feel like a payoff. It feels like this...

To view this content we will need your consent to set third party cookies.
For more detailed information, see our cookies page.

"No sir. All 13."

Quick, spot your favorite doct...I mean starship!
 
I'm fine with what we got.

Neon's video is too fan servicy. There's zero new designs in it, they're all pre-existing ones.
 
Now this was the payoff I would have liked in the finale. Waited all season for a decent Starfleet ship depiction. While I appreciate the story being told I am not above a little starship pr0n either! What we got was very unsatisfying.

Actually, I would have been totally fine with the cut-and-paste fleet if Riker’s ship had been of a different and more unique design to differentiate it from the other ships, just like Oh’s ship was different from the other warbirds. The other ships were just background filler, to be honest.
 
I'm fine with what we got.

Neon's video is too fan servicy. There's zero new designs in it, they're all pre-existing ones.
I'm ok with a little fan service once in awhile. Throw the old timers a little bone. What ships comprised the fleet meant absolutely nothing to the story. Whether it be something like Neon's ships or what we got the result would have been the same. But a few older designs mixed in with the CopyPaste would have been cool.

I also get the budget thing. But after seeing the high quality renders that folks are coming up with in their free time maybe these show runners should get in touch with them and ask for their expertise, with some compensation, in helping their VFX departments. Why can't they purchase the renders, or while horribly unfair just take them as it's probably within their rights as IP holder, already created and use them? Why reinvent the wheel? Neon's videos are 4K quality already for example.
 
Last edited:
I did appreciate the show of force the fleet represented and I can certainly see how there would be benefits in having a rapid reaction force made up of the same class of ship ensuring the fastest response possible (no need to wait for the slower ships).

I also think its a smart idea in having warships without exterior markings as it makes it harder for an enemy to track and calculate how many ships you actually have, or target specific ships that are particularly dangerous.

With that being said I can certainly understand why some would have liked to have seen some recognisable classes or at the very least a single fleet command ship like the Romulans had, I looked for one and couldn't find it, just 3 or 4 different configurations of the same class.

My personal thinking at the time was that the fleet is a rapid reaction force of mid size, mass produced warships that are designed to go looking for trouble, perhaps utilising the latest advances in holographic crew to keep the need for organic crew and time consuming training to a minimum.

On that level what we saw works well.
 
My personal thinking at the time was that the fleet is a rapid reaction force of mid size, mass produced warships that are designed to go looking for trouble, perhaps utilising the latest advances in holographic crew to keep the need for organic crew and time consuming training to a minimum.
Given the losses Starfleet suffered such a design makes sense.

:shrug:I guess I'm weird. I love starship porn but it wasn't necessary for the story. So, if fan renders exist isn't that enough?​
 
Money and legality. Does anyone think that Neon's render could be done in the short time frame required by production?

Why not? The official CG models of these ships still exist. Some of them look more high-resolution than the new Inquiry-class model, the others should be detailed enough to use in the background. Even if CBS don't have them, they know who currently does. Many of them have already been shared between different studios and re-used on different shows and are still being used for print publications, so I doubt that it'd suddenly be problematic to use them now. And if there's no time to convert any of them to Maya, outsource these few shots to someone who can render the ships in Lightwave.
 
Why not? The official CG models of these ships still exist. Some of them look more high-resolution than the new Inquiry-class model, the others should be detailed enough to use in the background. Even if CBS don't have them, they know who currently does. Many of them have already been shared between different studios and re-used on different shows and are still being used for print publications, so I doubt that it'd suddenly be problematic to use them now. And if there's no time to convert any of them to Maya, outsource these few shots to someone who can render the ships in Lightwave.
So, spend more money when the production team already reported that by the end money was tight? :vulcan:

Also, outsource it to a 3rd party who may or may not have compatible equipment, wait for renders, and hope its done on time? :shrug:

Controversial opinion here-I think Chabon and Kurtzman did the best they could with what they had at the time.
 
I also get the budget thing. But after seeing the high quality renders that folks are coming up with in their free time maybe these show runners should get in touch with them and ask for their expertise, with some compensation, in helping their VFX departments. Why can't they purchase the renders,

You know, for several years, I was the manager of a movie theater responsible for scheduling the floor staff from week to week.

And every week, I would receive a rough forecast of what the corporate office thought business for our location would likely be for that week. And I had a maximum of 9.9& of revenue that I was allowed to spend on payroll for that week. Which meant, my job was to try to keep payroll expenses within 9.9% of forecast. If was clear that actual revenue would be higher than projected, we could call in more people (since that 9.9% would go higher) if they wanted more hours. And if it was lower, then we had to start cutting people.

I tried really hard to give my employees as many hours as I could. But I always had to keep it in that 9.9% range or else I'd be on the chopping block. And one of the things that we started to do is, in the seasons when revenue would normally be down, we would simply not hire new employees -- that way, we could give more hours to those employees who stayed on and wanted more hours. Because the more people you hire, the more people you end up with who are competing with one-another for a limited payroll budget.

I think you need to give serious consideration to the idea that if the production company was only given $X to spend on visual effects, that means they couldn't just hire someone else to come in and help -- because $X/2 < $X/1, and suddenly your original VSF vendor is pissed at you, sues you for underpayment, or refuses to contract with you in the future.

or while horribly unfair just take them as it's probably within their rights as IP holder, already created and use them?

How, exactly, are they going to obtain control of the digital assets in such a scenario? And in time to meet production deadlines? A court order? That means suing the fan creator. And that means paying legal fees and lawyers, and then waiting for the court system to process the case and reach a conclusion. That would probably be more expensive -- and it would create negative P.R.

So, spend more money when the production team already reported that by the end money was tight? :vulcan:

Also, outsource it to a 3rd party who may or may not have compatible equipment, wait for renders, and hope its done on time? :shrug:

Controversial opinion here-I think Chabon and Kurtzman did the best they could with what they had at the time.

This. Maybe -- just maybe -- we should all accept the possibility that a professional television producer who has been making television programs for 23 years and has produced 13 different television series, knows better than we amateurs do how to get the job done on time and within the budget.
 
Given the losses Starfleet suffered such a design makes sense.

:shrug:I guess I'm weird. I love starship porn but it wasn't necessary for the story. So, if fan renders exist isn't that enough?​
All I really wanted to see was a show of force by Starfleet and Clancy which is what we got, with that being said a smaller force of one or two big ships plus a squadron or two of Defiant class or similar would have had just as much impact of not more.

The fleet we got was large and impressive but a bit generic and nondescript.

The Romulan fleet could also have been smaller as well which would have saved some time and maybe even some money, they clearly went for it with new ship classes but then circumstances forced them to cut it down and rely on copy and paste.

Clearly the whole entrance by Riker and the fleet was supposed to be the big CGI money shot of the season and its a shame it didn't have quite the impact it could have had.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top