Starship design history in light of Discovery

[Tuskin38]

Now I begin to wonder how much of DISCOVERY's story plots were designed with STO in mind.

I'd guess none of them were because that makes no sense.

STO takes things from the show, not the other way around.
Though the idea to use T'Kuvma's Sister from the comics came from the show writers.

Cryptic pitches their story ideas to them, and they try to make them work with in the context of the show's story.

 

[Christopher]

Heh...
Now I begin to wonder how much of DISCOVERY's story plots were designed with STO in mind.

I wouldn't put it past CBS to request story plots in such a manner to capitalize even more on our wallets.

That's staggeringly unlikely. The show drives the tie-ins. The tail doesn't wag the dog. Besides, isn't STO set in the 25th century? Any DSC content they work in has got to be some kind of secondary or peripheral thing, I'd think.

 

[Jinn]

Any DSC content they work in has got to be some kind of secondary or peripheral thing, I'd think.

The DSC content is set between DSC's second and third episode, so outside of STO's usual timeframe of 2409/2410.

 

[Tuskin38]

The DSC content is set between DSC's second and third episode, so outside of STO's usual timeframe of 2409/2410.

And for 25th century characters the missions are 'Historical Simulations', but for DSC Era characters they're not.

 

[jaime]

And for 25th century characters the missions are 'Historical Simulations', but for DSC Era characters they're not.

I wonder if they will work in inaccuracies for us 25th century people, culminating in their ENT missions where Trip is, like Gordon, alive.

 

[Tuskin38]

I wonder if they will work in inaccuracies for us 25th century people,

I doubt it.

 

[DaveyNY]

I know it's far-fetched.
Was just a musing.

 

[fireproof78]

The flatness of the ships was a directive from Bryan Fuller.

Now what Eaves did with that, I guess would be his doing, yeah.

Reviewing the design of the ship it reminds me of the Vanguard class from the books. Reminds me of a fast attack destroyer, possibly a patrol ship designed for speed but not a whole heck of a lot else.

 

[DEWLine]

The time gaps between episodes certainly seem useful for spin-off merchandising, don't they?

(Not a complaint.)

 

[Dukhat]

This information comes from John Eaves via the Eaglemoss model booklets.

You could be right.

I'd bet that Eaves is not telling the truth, or at best he was given misinformation. I still fail to see why Fuller would care what the ships looked like.

 

[cooleddie74]

I will say that Fuller's edict about the ships having to look a certain way was and continues to be a disappointment. I may like a handful of the new designs but most of them just aren't as good as the ones we got in the past.

Some of these ships are just plain fugly, and this is somebody who has also cringed at a few of the late 24th century starships as being unattractive monstrosities.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

I agree. I think some of them would be drastically improved with cylindrical TOS style nacelles rather than the boxy rectangular ones. Though the ships with the saucers that have random cutouts here and there. That's not a good design aesthetic at all. Round and smooth all the way.

 

[cooleddie74]

I don't mind the Shepard-class starship design at all. From the side she's...eh, I'll be kind and say "not as good as from above or the front"...but she's the best design we've seen in the series that isn't the Enterprise.

They're too flat. Most of these ships look like they got flattened by a giant interstellar steamroller.

 

[CaptainMurdock]

Once again, I agree completely.

 

[Christopher]

I still fail to see why Fuller would care what the ships looked like.

Why wouldn't he? That's as much part of a show creator's responsibility as anything else. Gene Roddenberry famously oversaw the Enterprise design process and had some firm ideas about what he wanted -- no cliched flying saucers, no rocket exhaust but "make it look like it has power," something plausible, something new. He rejected dozens of sketches before approving the design we got. Similarly, we know that Rick Berman and/or Brannon Braga were adamant that NX-01 in Enterprise had to be designed along the lines of the Akira class, which is why it looked like that instead of being a Daedalus-class ship or something. Showrunners don't just do the writing -- they approve every creative decision from design to casting to costuming to music to effects. (Roddenberry was also famous for micromanaging women's costume design and insisting on making the outfits as skimpy as possible, allegedly to save money on fabric.)

 

[Tuskin38]

I'd bet that Eaves is not telling the truth, or at best he was given misinformation.

I doubt that.

One of the eaglemoss books says he’s responsible for throwing out the book on Klingon designs. He allegedly told the Klingon ship designers they were allowed to ignore everything that came before.

 

[Tuskin38]

 

[Gonzo]

I doubt that.

One of the eaglemoss books says he’s responsible for throwing out the book on Klingon designs. He allegedly told the Klingon ship designers they were allowed to ignore everything that came before.

Doesn't look like that's the case any more though, pretty sure I spied a D7 in the trailer at one point, was a top down view on some sort of tactical screen I think.

It was definitely a case of blink and you will miss it though.

Heaven forbid that they may have actually listened.

 

[Tuskin38]

Doesn't look like that's the case any more though

Well Fuller hasn't been part of the show Since 2016, so they can start ignoring his directives lmao.

pretty sure I spied a D7 in the trailer at one point, was a top down view on some sort of tactical screen I think.

It was a Hologram, I think in the High Council chambers seen at the end of Season 1.

 

[Gonzo]

Well Fuller hasn't been part of the show Since 2016, so they can start ignoring his directives lmao.



It was a Hologram, I think in the High Council chambers seen at the end of Season 1.

Which means it does exist in the Discoverse, cant remember where in the season 2 trailer it was, I am still trying to get over Werewolf Spock.

If it was shown in season one I don't remember it and must mean we will be getting it eventually, anything is better than what we got in season one really Klingon ship wise, it didn't kill the show for me but it really didn't help it either.

If they intended to go introduce an actual D7 anyway they would have been better off not pissing around really.

That or they really have woken up, who knows.