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Starship design history in light of Discovery

In reality all this is true...

But in the universe of Trek Paranoia runs rampant.
(and in the Andorians case they were correct about the Vulcans)

Besides that, Tellerites just like to be consistently intractable.

I'm not arguing with your premise, I'm just saying that from what we know of All Things Trek, it's likely that astronomical arrays and what they are used for/where they point, is a very contentious issue in the halls of the Federation HQ.
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DaveyNY said:
But in the universe of Trek Paranoia runs rampant.
(and in the Andorians case they were correct about the Vulcans)
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You're still confusing two entirely separate issues, basic science and espionage. They're two massively different levels of looking at something. It's the difference between, say, looking at someone's Facebook page and peeking into their bathroom window. It's the difference between noticing that your coworker has a new purse and rifling through the contents of her purse. Those are two completely different conversations.

Also, you keep missing my point -- I'm talking about how to know of the existence of civilizations you have never visited or contacted. So political objections to observation are utterly irrelevant. Please stop changing the subject.
 
Technically, the "subject" should be about "Starship Design History in light of Discovery", so me taking liberties with the current discussion is no better nor worse than what's been discussed in the last several pages.
So please stop telling me what I can or can't add to the thread.

Honestly though, I thoroughly enjoyed reading what you and others have added to the current 'non-thread topic' at hand. I just see it in a different light based on my 'in-universe head-canon' with how the different members of the Federation might behave and not based on the realities of present day astronomical theories and accomplishments.
(which BTW is much closer to the actual premise of the thread)
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Christopher said:
You're still confusing two entirely separate issues, basic science and espionage. They're two massively different levels of looking at something. It's the difference between, say, looking at someone's Facebook page and peeking into their bathroom window. It's the difference between noticing that your coworker has a new purse and rifling through the contents of her purse. Those are two completely different conversations.

Also, you keep missing my point -- I'm talking about how to know of the existence of civilizations you have never visited or contacted. So political objections to observation are utterly irrelevant. Please stop changing the subject.
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How about you stop trying to control the discussion? If you don't like what he's saying or consider it a tangent, feel free not to respond to it.
 
DaveyNY said:
I just see it in a different light based on my 'in-universe head-canon' with how the different members of the Federation might behave
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And that's my point. You're talking about how Federation members might behave in response to espionage, when I'm talking about basic science. You're treating those two as if they were exactly the same, as if a weather satellite were no different from a spy satellite. They're just not the same conversation. And I don't think it makes sense that the Federation members would be so crazy paranoid as to see no difference between the two. You're citing evidence from ENT about the conflicts among the Vulcans, Andorians, and Tellarites, but that was from the pre-Federation era when they were mutual antagonists. In the Federation era, they've resolved their military conflicts and become allies, so the same dynamic wouldn't apply. You wouldn't judge present-day US-Japan relations by citing examples from 1942.

Sure, the UFP's members have their disagreements, as we see in "Journey to Babel," but they must have certain fundamental values in common in order for the Federation to function and be true to its principles. And those values include mutual trust, openness, and respect for science and learning -- as evidenced by the enormous power they give to their main research body, Starfleet. If the UFP governments were so secretive, libertarian, and isolationist that they'd overreact violently to another Federation member even pointing a telescope in their direction, then they'd never agree to let Starfleet have so much power and influence. Given how much of the Federation's resources they pour into a body whose literal mission statement is to seek out new life and new civilizations, I find it hard to believe they'd be opposed to the use of long-range sensors whose whole purpose was to seek out new life and new civilizations.
 
There's only one correct way to use electronic eavesdropping on a Star Trek villain and this is it:

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The Crossfield looks a lot better in grey and with red bussards.
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Hmm, that'd be a nice upgrade to the class. Perhaps the buzzard collectors can get one cap on them too.
 
Tuskin38 said:
The Crossfield looks a lot better in grey and with red bussards.
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that looks anemic (for lack of a better word) to me. but i definitely think it'd be cool if the show established that discovery's paint job is because she's made of a special experimental alloy or something and that there are crossfield-class ships out there with the traditional livery.
 
DEWLine said:
Is that an Eaves-supplied registry number for the Malachowski?
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Maybe?

Eaves said months ago before he closed his Facebook page that he provided the show team with a bunch of names and registries, including ones for the first of the classes.

Whether CBS gave those to Cryptic, who knows.
 
They do like their Excelsior fins on the rear-dorsal area of the hulls, don't they? There are several Disco ships that have them in varying sizes. One more for the Malachowski.
 
My head canon is that the period from the founding of the federation until the launch of the Constitution class was a transitional and/or experimental period for Starfleet design. The new Federation Starfleet attempting to consolidate all the different technologies and design philosophies from 4 plus member worlds into a unified whole. And it wasn’t until the Constitution Class that they finally came upon what would become a recognizable Federation aesthetic.

Cuz as much as I like the series, most of the fed ships we’ve seen on Discovery are just butt ugly - the Shenzhou being the obvious exception.
 
Tuskin38 said:
The Shenzhou fits the least tho

And the Connie by the time DSC starts is at least 10 years old.
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You think? I mean I see a clear chain of development from the NX to the Shenzhou right down to the Akira Class. But yeah the Constitution is ten years old at that point but IIRC there are only 12 of them in the entire fleet and they are considered the top of the line ships. The rest of the fleet is composed of older makeshift/experimental/transitional designs.

I mean how else to explain the USS Shran which, lets face it, I’m surprised Andor didn’t secede from the Federation after having that monstrosity named after one of their greatest.
 
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