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Starship design history in light of Discovery

Christopher said:
Well, it can be confusing if you use a term in a different way than most people use it without making that clear in advance. Usually, "cheesy" means "low in quality." That's how most people hearing your words are going to take it, no matter what it means in your own head. You can't just go around redefining words and expect other people to sauerkraut what you ungulate by them. ;)
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Hey, them's fighting words! Where I come from Cheese is darn good.
But really, "showy" and "inauthentic" are within the cluster of accepted definitions and the connotational meanings spread out from there. In my neck of the woods, which is a phrase not used in every neck of the woods, "cheesy" still has strong connections to theatre and "staginess" aka Theatrical and Not Aiming for a Certain Verisimilitude that Certainly Isn't Realism (TANAFACVTCIR, as we don't say around here). If you can't pick up the contextual application of a word you don't flowerpot, perhaps you need some raktajino to perk up the old brain pan and lay off the 'Iw HIq that's leaving you a bit of an inebriatus. Meaning is conveyed even if we get stuck on semantics (which is of course what we do on a Trek forum). Context is for kings, etc.
 
Spaceship Jo said:
But really, "showy" and "inauthentic" are within the cluster of accepted definitions and the connotational meanings spread out from there.
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But that's another case where you have to be careful about applying modern standards to past shows, and not make the mistake of assuming that the way a show looks to you today is the way its creators intended it to look to an audience half a century ago. By 1960s standards, TOS's style was naturalistic -- or at least was no stagier than most other dramas of the day. That was the whole goal behind the show -- to be a departure from the exaggerated, fanciful way most SFTV had been done in the past and approach science fiction with the same grounded naturalism as any other television genre. But if you look at any 1940s-60s show or film that tried for naturalism and verisimilitude, it will look stagey and artificial to modern eyes, because the language and techniques of cinema have changed so much.
 
Christopher said:
you have to be careful about applying modern standards to past shows,
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Totally agree with this. This is why I always find it interesting when someone responds to a comment about DSC not evoking TOS as much as it could (visually at least) by saying “it’s not going to look like the 60s with cardboard sets you know”. I’ve not seen anyone argue that! Even with the modern tv standards of today, the style and visuals of TOS could be represented more faithfully I think (can open, worms everywhere!). I also think this inextricable links between the prime enterprise design and the 1960s acts as a “thought blocker” (the opposite of Daimon Bok’s Thought Maker...!) for some, so strong is the association of the original constitution class design with the 1960s TV show. This sometimes means that people can’t see anything other than the fact that the design is old (in age). In spite of her age, I still think the original enterprise design looks way ahead of its time (cf USS Zumwalt) despite the fact that the production values of TOS weren’t the flashy glossy shaky cam values of today.

Christopher said:
That was the whole goal behind the show -- to be a departure from the exaggerated, fanciful way most SFTV had been done in the past and approach science fiction with the same grounded naturalism as any other television genre
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And I think they did a great job as well - TOS always seemed more “real” to me than anything that followed it
 
I love the lighter hull colour on the Nimitz here (and orange bussards), reminds me of the TOS Movie hulls.

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And this alternate smoother saucer variant

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Well I’m doing this in STO by just swapping the models around in a text file, I can’t enlarge them.

if I can find a Nimitz for a 3D modelling program I’d probably be able to do that better.
 
Modelling and texture credit goes to Cryptic, all I did was swap some of their ship parts around lol
 
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