Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Size

[Desert Kris]

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In reference to the title suggesting that the ship is crashing, and many other fans here mentioning the same, is it the general consensus here that that ship actually is crashing?

'Cause, when I look at that clip, it looks to me like that ship is being piloted deliberately, with attitude. The pilot knows the stress his ship can handle, has precision control, and really wants to scary the hell out of any bystanders who are watching nearby. And this little water-dip trick is just the start of what that ship is about to do, strafing and detonating, and plowing through buildings, ect.

 

[RAMA]

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honestly even if this is true 99.5% of people seeing wont care.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

In reference to the title suggesting that the ship is crashing, and many other fans here mentioning the same, is it the general consensus here that that ship actually is crashing?

'Cause, when I look at that clip, it looks to me like that ship is being piloted deliberately, with attitude. The pilot knows the stress his ship can handle, has precision control, and really wants to scary the hell out of any bystanders who are watching nearby. And this little water-dip trick is just the start of what that ship is about to do, strafing and detonating, and plowing through buildings, ect.

One of the nacelles is on fire trailing smoke behind it...

 

[DarthTom]

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No according to the art of the film and early john eaves interviews they had set it at 1200 meters In fact in the coffee table book it was listed at 1200 meters
It was then finally downscaled to 750ish officially
In any case bigger than puny nextgenprises

That would make it ~ the same size as the Excelsior class star ships which are still the most awesome of all the Trek ships IMO.

Excelsior Starships

 

[Desert Kris]

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One of the nacelles is on fire trailing smoke behind it...

I could watch that sequence to the poin where it would be burned into my mind's eye for the rest of my life and I still wouldn't be able to see what you and others are describing. I can see a lot of water being kicked up in a spray, how is anyone able to tell the difference between water spray and smoke? All I can see is water spraying all over the place, I can't make out any smoke there.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

One of the nacelles is on fire trailing smoke behind it...

I could watch that sequence to the poin where it would be burned into my mind's eye for the rest of my life and I still wouldn't be able to see what you and others are describing. I can see a lot of water being kicked up in a spray, how is anyone able to tell the difference between water spray and smoke? All I can see is water spraying all over the place, I can't make out any smoke there.

 

[Kruezerman]

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If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?

 

[BillJ]

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If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?

You can't say for sure its shields were down. Or maybe its navigational deflector is enough for it to handle atmospheric flight or it has heat shields?

The Enterprise survived atmospheric flight in Tomorrow is Yesterday without its shields.

 

[F. King Daniel]

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It seems to me as if it's skimming the top of the water while trying to pull up.

 

[The Wormhole]

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If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?

The Enterprise D didn't when it crashed on Veridian III. Voyager didn't when it crashed on that ice planet.

 

[M'Sharak]

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It seems to me as if it's skimming the top of the water while trying to pull up.

The angle of attack seems a bit too steep for a successful skim, but also not like an out-of-control catastrophic crash in progress. Looks to me like more an "attempted splashdown of crippled ship, with intent to avoid the buildings on shore while at the same time not ending up with ship in too many pieces".

Or something like that.

 

[Worfmonger]

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Yeppers, looks to me like a crash-landing rather than a full-blown crash. Here's to hoping she manages to shave off enough inertia and not slam into the building she appears to be heading toward. o.0

 

[Kruezerman]

Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?

The Enterprise D didn't when it crashed on Veridian III. Voyager didn't when it crashed on that ice planet.

Both were controlled (kinda) and the saucer's angle was very shallow in comparison.

I say this ship was piloted down if not for a crash landing then for a deliberate attack on San Fransisco.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Starship Crashing Into Bay Scale Problem: The Saucer Is 1701-D Siz

If it was crashing though, with her shields down, why didn't she break up in the atmosphere?

The Enterprise D didn't when it crashed on Veridian III. Voyager didn't when it crashed on that ice planet.

Both were controlled (kinda) and the saucer's angle was very shallow in comparison.

I say this ship was piloted down if not for a crash landing then for a deliberate attack on San Fransisco.

Why would it come to the surface for an attack? With phasers and photon torpedoes, it should be able to obliterate San Francisco easily from orbit.

And why would it be hitting the water if it was attacking the city?

We could be seeing the final moments of Admiral Marcus' ship...

 

[Kruezerman]

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The Enterprise D didn't when it crashed on Veridian III. Voyager didn't when it crashed on that ice planet.

Both were controlled (kinda) and the saucer's angle was very shallow in comparison.

I say this ship was piloted down if not for a crash landing then for a deliberate attack on San Fransisco.

Why would it come to the surface for an attack? With phasers and photon torpedoes, it should be able to obliterate San Francisco easily from orbit.

Shock value to illicit an emotional response from the audience because of 9/11?

Prelude to a surface attack where the enemy troops are aboard the crashing cruiser?

Either works and there are probably many more.

 

[Cinema Geekly]

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Yeppers, looks to me like a crash-landing rather than a full-blown crash. Here's to hoping she manages to shave off enough inertia and not slam into the building she appears to be heading toward. o.0

As long as it's captained by Sully Sullenberger I'm cool with this.

 

[BillJ]

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Prelude to a surface attack where the enemy troops are aboard the crashing cruiser?

Transporters?

 

[Kruezerman]

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Prelude to a surface attack where the enemy troops are aboard the crashing cruiser?

Transporters?

Lightning strike by crashing the ship, thereby confusing your enemy, then have your troops storm the compound/base/whatever.

Think Trojan Horse in this scenario.

 

[Franklin]

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It seems to me as if it's skimming the top of the water while trying to pull up.

The angle of attack seems a bit too steep for a successful skim, but also not like an out-of-control catastrophic crash in progress. Looks to me like more an "attempted splashdown of crippled ship, with intent to avoid the buildings on shore while at the same time not ending up with ship in too many pieces".

Or something like that.

Could be. But if the crew had enough control of the ship to attempt a "splashdown," then why steer to crash in the Bay when the expanse of the Pacific Ocean is a few miles away? For that reason, I'd say the crew is not in control of the ship, or had very little control, and it could've just as well plowed into downtown S.F.

The KEWEL factor would require that ship to start cartwheeling. At any rate, I don't see things ending well for it or its crew.

As far as it not burning up in the atmosphere goes, since we're seeing more and more atmospheric flight from starships in Trek, it could be it entered the atmosphere intact for some reason, then was brought down.

 

[BillJ]

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Prelude to a surface attack where the enemy troops are aboard the crashing cruiser?

Transporters?

Lightning strike by crashing the ship, thereby confusing your enemy, then have your troops storm the compound/base/whatever.

Think Trojan Horse in this scenario.

Sorry. Don't buy it. It makes no sense to crash a starship into a body of water to launch a surface attack.

It likely is what it looks like it is. A ship damaged during battle that was no longer able to hold orbit. The only real questions are: Who does it belong to? What point in the movie does it come down?