In that case, perhaps it was a deliberate attempt to make Discovery look different to the Kelvin movies?
Or maybe someone at the top just really, really hates cylindrical nacelles.
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Or maybe someone at the top just really, really hates cylindrical nacelles.
Just wait until the size statistics are released. I have the weirdest feeling the Europa is way bigger than the Reliant. The windows on her hull were tiny (although admittedly so are the "rabbits teeth" on the Discovery)
In the big fleet shots, the "Mirandas" with the downcanted engines (apparently the Edison and her clone) appear to be noticeably smaller than the hero ship or the inverted variant of the hero ship. The T'Plana-Hath and her clone also seem fairly compact, but their saucers are bigger; they just happen to be compact designs.
That is, the size apparently isn't due to perspective since we see both types in fleet shots taken from two different directions, dead ahead and upper stbd aft quarter.
We might wish to ignore the scale-establishing detail on the Edison, then, if it threatens to make the ship large in comparison with the T'Plana-Hath or the Shenzhou which were actually seen up close.
Timo Saloniemi
That is, the size apparently isn't due to perspective since we see both types in fleet shots taken from two different directions, dead ahead and upper stbd aft quarter.
We might wish to ignore the scale-establishing detail on the Edison, then, if it threatens to make the ship large in comparison with the T'Plana-Hath or the Shenzhou which were actually seen up close.
Timo Saloniemi
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Really hard to tell, when we saw the shot of both fleets facing off the Starfleet ships looked bloody tiny compared to T'Kuvmas ship.
Of course the Starfleet ships could have been much further away which would have made them look smaller but I doubt that's the reason.
We did see another ship jump in that looked like exactly the same design and it was considerably smaller than T'Kuvmas ship but that could just have bee because it was much further away.
The saucer on the Europa does look big and that would fit with the similar Miranda classes we have seen in the original movies that tend to have bigger saucers but smaller engineering hulls.
The Discovery looks pretty big, certainly bigger than the original movies 1701-A.
Got a good look at the Shenzou in the 4th episode with an excellent up close shot of the underside with the bridge for scaling, it looks about 200m long altogether.
In that case, perhaps it was a deliberate attempt to make Discovery look different to the Kelvin movies?
Or maybe someone at the top just really, really hates cylindrical nacelles.
The obvious third alternative is that somebody wants to preserve the TOS nacelles for the TOS look exclusively, perhaps with the intent of passing them off as "more advanced than the current stock" when the need to do a "In a Mirror, Darkly" style stunt predictably arises.
The bridge size and the idea that the saucer has ten decks plus the bridge (with the brig on Deck 9) both favor a ship whose saucer is more or less similar in diameter to that of the TOS ship. The TOS one supposedly also had about 11 decks, even if it was a lot less voluminous because it didn't bulge out on the dorsal side except at the very middle.
A ship with a 130m-150m'ish saucer would be about 300m long, much like Kirk's. The Shenzhou could be a bit bigger, depending on how we squint. Making her smaller would take some doing, though, with the "Deck 9 within saucer, decks down to 15 exist to take damage" facts at our disposal.
The Discovery lacks a deck count so far, so we don't have good guidelines for our squinting. We can eyeball the five-deck-tall shuttlebay and come up with a ship a tad bigger than Kirk's but with giant nacelles that make her twice as long, but we may be eyeballing it wrong until we do get that deck count. And the MSD from "Butcher's Knife" doesn't help us along much, as its (thankfully) barely glimpsed deck count appears way too low to match the shuttlebay or mushroomroom specs. So, still waiting for relevant dialogue!
Timo Saloniemi
Agreed, which is why I mentally retcon TOS so that the TMP version is what it ALWAYS looked like anyway (and the refit was JUST the new engines and weapons).
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My figures are literally based on eye only so its still open right now.
When I first saw the ship it looked a little bit longer, wider and with a lower profile than the TOS 1701.
When I went back and looked closely after the last two episodes the saucer does look bigger by about a 3rd I would say going by eye alone which would place it in the low 400m range for the saucer and engineering section not including the nacelles which sweep back quite a distance.
It may not be worth going by deck count on the Discovery due to it having a somewhat flatter profile (especially the engineering section), if its the same length as the 1701 it wont have as many decks, if its bigger than the 1701 it will have the same number or more in spite of the flatter profile.
Personally I want a full ship cutaway and official length from CBS, ready for the inevitable model releases.
Someone at some point will get their ruler out I am sure.
It does look and feel bigger to me but not to the extent of the 1701 in the new films, it isn't that big.
When Landry meets the prisoners, she steps out through a door that is exactly one deck high, as we see when peeking into the corridor beyond. Clear lines on the wall mark five such heights, the lowermost being halfway sunken into the floor of the bay proper. Some of the areas between the lines have windows; the topmost area coincides with the TOS style canted "observation balcony" windows on the sides of the bay.
Interestingly, the peek into the corridor (of which we see both the floor and the ceiling), combined with the windows on the upper apparent-decks, establishes that there is no space between decks, save for a few inches of plating at most. This may not hold true everywhere in the ship, but it seems to be a feature of the aft secondary hull at least.
It's when Burnham explains that Straal had holds full of dried mushrooms on the Glenn, instead of a conservatory for living mushrooms, and that the water bear was found "down there". Technically, we're seeing the Glenn there, then, but still. It's not in sufficient focus to really count the decks, especially in the saucer, but it's rather obvious that this is for a reason...
Timo Saloniemi
Ah, right, I see what you mean. So that would make the shuttlebay at least 15 metres high.
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Meh. Standard John Eaves starship designs. I never cared for his aesthetic.
There's nothing noteworthy with the ship designs in Discovery except for the titular ship itself.
There's nothing noteworthy with the ship designs in Discovery except for the titular ship itself.
Nothing noteworthy about the Wolf 459 kitbashes. I think the fact that we saw these many new ships is noteworthy even if they aren’t your cup of tea.
I do the same. We all know logially the TMP is not and can not be the same ship as the TOS one. The size does not match and no one rebuilds to that extent. We never see any refit done this way, ever.
Interesting. I find John Eaves to be the best Trek designer there has ever been. His stuff just does it for me. The Enterprise-E alone is a masterpiece. I hope he's tasked with the modernization of the 1701 if we see it.
^ Ditto.
I've been scribbling for years (not seriously - I'm rubbish at it) and most of my bored sketches look like (very, very poor) versions of Eaves style as it's quite striking.
I've been scribbling for years (not seriously - I'm rubbish at it) and most of my bored sketches look like (very, very poor) versions of Eaves style as it's quite striking.
Except for all the times in World War 2 that ships were so drastically refit from keel to outer hull that they were practically unrecognizable.
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