Stark Contrasts Between DS9 & Voyager
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Stark contrasts between DS9 and Voyager? Let me see . . .
DS9 was a steak made of beef. Voyager was a steak made of crap. On DS9 characters developed believably (for the most part). On Voyager, Harry Kim remained a green young Ensign for all seven years, never growing any wiser or more savvy no matter how much he experienced. DS9's writers honestly tried to challenge the audience. It was fun trying to figure out what would happen next. Voyager could pretty much only be enjoyed if you completely turned off your brain.
If DS9 was a precursor Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica, then Voyager was a precursor to Knight Rider (the new one that everyone hates).
DS9 was a steak made of beef. Voyager was a steak made of crap. On DS9 characters developed believably (for the most part). On Voyager, Harry Kim remained a green young Ensign for all seven years, never growing any wiser or more savvy no matter how much he experienced. DS9's writers honestly tried to challenge the audience. It was fun trying to figure out what would happen next. Voyager could pretty much only be enjoyed if you completely turned off your brain.
If DS9 was a precursor Ron Moore's Battlestar Galactica, then Voyager was a precursor to Knight Rider (the new one that everyone hates).
Battle damage. That's what I could never get over, the lack of battle damage. The magic reset button and voila, everything's back to normality.
Voyager would have been cool if it'd been shortened to 3 years and she comes dragging back to Earth
Creatively, DS9 expanded the Star Trek franchise. Took it to areas and issues never before explored in depth like REAL relationships between characters, and the subjects of war and religion.
VOY didn't. It could have had they made a credible attempt at the concept.
But it became a half-arsed rehash of TNG, with massively inferior characters.
VOY didn't. It could have had they made a credible attempt at the concept.
But it became a half-arsed rehash of TNG, with massively inferior characters.
I refer you to the episode "Year of Hell", where the ship became progressively more and more damaged. Even though the events of that episode were Reset Buttoned, there's no reason why the FX crew couldn't have kept the "damaged Voyager" CGI models they built for later use. No reason except that either Rick Berman or the suits at UPN (and probably a little of both) had a Barclayesque aversion to anything that even looked like risk.
IMO It's really hard for me to judge or compair the two series, they were so different from each other. That's the beauty of Trek, same Federation but totally different situations. DS-9, A stationary space station sitting next to a stable wormhole that leads to the GQ, and at the other side of the WH is a species that in none to nice.
Voyager on the other hand, is a single starship lost about 75,000 LY from the Federation, no space stations, no known facilaties to get supplies from, every day is a new adventure while travelling through unknown space, with unknow species. So, IMO you really can't compaire them.
About the only thing both series had in common was they were both part of the Federation...
Voyager on the other hand, is a single starship lost about 75,000 LY from the Federation, no space stations, no known facilaties to get supplies from, every day is a new adventure while travelling through unknown space, with unknow species. So, IMO you really can't compaire them.
About the only thing both series had in common was they were both part of the Federation...
From what I understand it was the suits at Paramount since they didd the same thing on Enterprise in the third season and got away with it.
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They were very equal and also had differences. Will say Voyager had more reboots then DS9. We accept the limited development of characters on Voyager, when I say limited development is with species done within a single episode. With DS9, we demand more character development even that the same species or a single character has been on more than a single episode.
Then with the lack of resources that Voyager faced, we should have seen more hard scrambling and desperation from the crew. DS9 had some real "what the hell are we going to do now?" situations where things looked grim and Sisko and co. did some questionable things to overcome them. I would have liked to have seen Voyager take risks like that.
Stark Contrasts Between DS9 & Voyager?
Well, for starters.. DS9 was GOOD...
Well, for starters.. DS9 was GOOD...
Which would have required the series to use multi-part stories/arcs, which was expressly forbidden by UPN.
The contrasts are stark indeed.
I've always found it interesting that between VOY and DS9, VOY has the intrinsically cooler concept. Ship lost in space? Same crew all the time, facing hardship? Sounds like a serialized dream.
DS9 by comparison, is a space station that goes nowhere and does nothing. Sure, there's a wormhole that goes to the GQ, but we don't know anything about that place, so it's not inherently interesting. Neither are the Bajorans who we know nothing about beyond Ro. Hard to care about a downtrodden people we know jack about.
Of course, the difference between the two is that VOY took its wicked premise and pissed it away with shitty writing and characters that make me want to commit suicide. DS9, by comparison is fucking brilliant and has pretty humble origins, dramatically.
Shame on the various douchebags who ran VOY over the years. You're all a bunch of unimaginative morons.
I've always found it interesting that between VOY and DS9, VOY has the intrinsically cooler concept. Ship lost in space? Same crew all the time, facing hardship? Sounds like a serialized dream.
DS9 by comparison, is a space station that goes nowhere and does nothing. Sure, there's a wormhole that goes to the GQ, but we don't know anything about that place, so it's not inherently interesting. Neither are the Bajorans who we know nothing about beyond Ro. Hard to care about a downtrodden people we know jack about.
Of course, the difference between the two is that VOY took its wicked premise and pissed it away with shitty writing and characters that make me want to commit suicide. DS9, by comparison is fucking brilliant and has pretty humble origins, dramatically.
Shame on the various douchebags who ran VOY over the years. You're all a bunch of unimaginative morons.