Setting aside the few species that got away without being assimilated and the few species who managed to go unnoticed by the Dominion... would you rather kiss the Dominion's butt (figuratively) or be turned into a space zombie?
Stargate: Universe is what Voyager should've been like
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Kiss Dominion butt.
I can't start a resistance if I'm assimilated.
The Dominion still allows free will.
No, actually, they don't.
Compared to assimilation, yeah they do.
^ Exactly. In the Dominion, you have to do whatever the Founders and Vorta say, or else the Jem'Hadar will wipe you out. In effect, you're no better than a Borg drone.
^ In practice however, you can rebel against totalitarian regime... but once you're a drone, theres not much in the way of free will at all.
Oddly enough, a complaint I ran into was that Voyager made Borg space too BIG and the Borg too numerous.
So it seems they were screwed either way, and the audience wouldn't accept anything they did with the Borg.
That's your average Star Trek fan for ya. Never satisfied.
Which only goes to show that VOY was pretty much a no-win scenario with the audience. No matter WHAT they did they weren't going to get any appreciation for anything.
I mean honestly, if Voyager had come before DS9 and it was about the crew putting together a Delta Federation and the Dominion was THEIR enemy, with the Dominion war being their story arc from seasons 3-7 with most DS9 plots being transferred to Voyager, the show would get the same amount of flak it does now.
I mean honestly, if Voyager had come before DS9 and it was about the crew putting together a Delta Federation and the Dominion was THEIR enemy, with the Dominion war being their story arc from seasons 3-7 with most DS9 plots being transferred to Voyager, the show would get the same amount of flak it does now.
Quick, somebody que up: "When Doves Cry".
Cool, so you do get the point I was making.
They still have to power the warp Drive without any aid from a Star Base or the Federation, meaning power should be issue. Heck some the early episodes suggested they didn't have enough power to run the replicators, which is undermined by the fact there was still power for the Holodeck. Its like family that has no food and an X-Box 360, there is something wrong with that picture.
Except it would take a lot of time and man power to make a new shuttle, assembling the pieces, making all the systems work and. Voyager being reckless with shuttles makes them seem wasteful and foolish, because time and man power are important resources too. Having a large section of engineering crew build another shuttle takes time away from other duties.
Cardassia started the war to get resources though, so saying the lack resource was caused by the war makes no sense. All of this proves my point, replicators are not some magic machine that solve any resource problem, so Voyager just having replicators doesn't instantly take care of any and all resource problems.
They can do that in the AQ. AQ has more interesting alien civilizations then the DQ anyway. If they are going to be stuck in the DQ, there should be stories about how desperate the situation and how they need to be careful and manage resources well to survive. Just ignoring that makes for bland TV. Having machines do everything for them, makes Voyager seem like helpless children rather evolved humans. Solving every problem with techno babble is bad writing and makes for boring TV.
Quick, somebody que up: "When Doves Cry".
Cool, so you do get the point I was making.
Except that Voyager and TNG kind of nixed that idea with Hugh and Unimatrix Zero
Yep, for all the complaints VOY gets for the Borg most of the decay started in TNG itself.
Hell if TNG had introduced the 8472 storyline no one would care and they'd think it was a good story and that it made sense there were other beings powerful enough to defeat the Borg, instead of hating it and saying it ruined the Borg forever like they did with VOY.
Hell if TNG had introduced the 8472 storyline no one would care and they'd think it was a good story and that it made sense there were other beings powerful enough to defeat the Borg, instead of hating it and saying it ruined the Borg forever like they did with VOY.
Wouldn't know, didn't watch it.
Again, what do you think replicator rations and cooking with real non-replicated food was for? The replicatiors wouldn't have power to feed a crew of 150 3 meals daily & still have resources to build shuttles or repair the ship. Neelix also makes a point of explaining that space debris can be broken down in the replicator and used for more energy(Dark Frontier)
It's called deligation of duty by priority.
There is no reason why other things can't be done while still taking time to build a shuttle if you understand this work technique. These folks are spending 24/7 on this ship and duty shifts are around the clock. All they have is time on their hands. Be'Lanna & Tom have spent countless episodes going over how they don't get much personal time together because they're always working.
....and an entire planet full of billions people compared to a ship of 150 doesn't make a difference in your scenario? I can guarantee you Voyager doesn't even use a quarter of the resources an entire planetary body full of people uses.
How many decades was the Cardassian/Klingon war that Bashir & Garak speak about?
So does repeating that point for 7 years..........and beyond.
How long is someone supposed to struggle managing resources for?
Most nature survivalist agree that if you haven't solved that type of problem within a month or so, you're as good as dead due to poor planning. If a ship of 150 people can't collectively solve that problem, then they must be pretty stupid.
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Hugh was set free.Quick, somebody que up: "When Doves Cry".
Cool, so you do get the point I was making.
Except that Voyager and TNG kind of nixed that idea with Hugh and Unimatrix Zero
Unimatrix Zero existed in the equivient of being in the Matrix, a dream state.
Hugh was set free.Quick, somebody que up: "When Doves Cry".
Cool, so you do get the point I was making.
Except that Voyager and TNG kind of nixed that idea with Hugh and Unimatrix Zero
Unimatrix Zero existed in the equivient of being in the Matrix, a dream state.
Unity then, the Borg Co-operative, with drones like the Borg there is always the possibility that they could be seperated from the whole, and if that were to happen, then they would be able to establish a resistance.
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