StarFleet Officers that are A..h...s

[Marsden]

Comming soon, R. Lee Emery as the new ships counselor, Korrahh!

I'd so watch that!

A Geico commercial already made a joke out of that.

He was not a Klingon, though.

That was a great commercial.

That’s interesting. You know what makes me sad. You Do! Maybe we should chug on over to mamby pamby land and maybe we can find some self confidence for you – you jack wagon! Tissue? [throws the box out of reach from the client] You cry baby!

Actually, if there was ever a movie/show showing StarFleet's Marines training camp, I could see him as a Andorian Drill Instructor.

 

[Makarov]

Is Data a mindless automaton that just follows orders? Then how was he able to adjust to Jellico and succed when Riker couldn't? I really think Data should have keep the XO position because of this, but that would have upset the formula.

It's because he's a mindless automaton that he worked so well with Jellico That's exactly what he seemed to want in a first officer & crew.

Jellico could have de-escalated the Riker conflict easily by showing the slightest empathy with the crew that lost their captain instead of blowing up at him. Instead he looked much worse to a crew that already wasn't happy with him. As for Riker not being able to fit in with a crew that didn't want him, he pretty much did in the episode where he is in the exchange program with klingons. Jellico didn't have the same ability to adapt.

 

[jimbotron]

Deleted scenes of Chain of Command did show Data being hesitant about Jellico's leadership.

 

[Disco]

I think where I disagree is your point that what Jellico was doing was needed. the Enterprise was one of the most advanced ships staffed by some of the best crew in the fleet who were battle hardened not just explorers so why would Jellico need to change so many things?

A captain has to lead, manage and direct but he does not need to be authoritarian.

I felt his command style was not required and it made him seem like he was an ass.

You. felt that way, but neither you, nor any of us know what 100% of his requirements were. In fact, I'd suggest that he knew exactly how he needed to do this, and probably put it to his superiors before even taking the assignment. He knew Riker's entire record. He knew the ship layout to the point of knowing exactly where is quarters were, by just hearing it. He knew the bloody warp coil efficiency specifications. He was prepared to a tee. It was the 1701-D crew who weren't. They got caught off guard. I submit that it was probably a foregone conclusion that they would be unavoidably caught off guard. So he had to factor that into how he handled this post. He was never going to be able to do this without being a jerk & he knew it, before he even stepped aboard. Just replacing the beloved Picard made him unwanted.

I don't agree that Jellico was an efficient captain, maybe in other situations but definitely not in Chain of Command. He was unable to avoid conflicts that led to him relieving his own first officer, even though Troi had already warned him. Then after that, he asks everyone on the ship to fly the shuttle before he asks the best man. That's not very efficient.

He had relieved the man of duty, and correctly so. It undermines his authority to go begging after that. So he had an obligation to consider every option first, & then when time was up & it became obvious who the best man was. He put his authority aside & took one in the chin to get Riker in the pilot seat, & Riker gloated like an infantile pig. It's his worst moment of poor behavior in the character's existence. Jellico was given an impossible job that no one actually thought could be pulled off without going to war, least of all himself, & he did it, in spite of some of the crew's expected backlash. If you ask me, he skated masterfully between a ship that didn't want him & a war no one could stop. Riker couldn't have done that in a million years

As for some suggestions for the thread, my votes go to Kozinsky the clueless douche & Hobson the android bigot

He was prepared and he was clear about own objective but there was no need for the running of the flagship of the fleet with the best officers who had seen war before to be changed so dramatically and so quickly. Things worked well on the ship and had worked efficiently in battles before so by making so many unneccessary changes all Jellico did was upset the crew without reason and upset work patterns prior to a possible war. He would have been far more successful making small changes and accepting the ability and experience of the crew was sufficient to face the Cardassians.

 

[Ithekro]

How many of his changes did they keep after Picard came back?

 

[MacLeod]

Troi in a Starfleet uniform.

 

[jimbotron]

Weird that with all the talk about removing the fish from the ready room (to appease Stewart, etc.), it returned almost immediately after Chain of Command.

 

[T'Girl]

He had relieved the man of duty, and correctly so.

How many Chief Engineers did Picard fire in the first season before settling on LaForge?

 

[Ithekro]

Why didn't they have a chief engineering in the main cast at the start, or even a regular secondary character for that posting?

 

[Salinga]

Why didn't they have a chief engineering in the main cast at the start, or even a regular secondary character for that posting?

Because the 1701-D was considered to be so advanced and flawless, the ship didnt really need one. I think this came from Roddenberry.

 

[jimbotron]

But it needed a therapist .... ooooookay.

 

[Avro Arrow]

^ Ships can be advanced and flawless. People... not so much.

 

[T'Girl]

What they really needed right from the start was a therapist for the warp drive.

 

[Ithekro]

Temperamental the warp core is.

 

[Mojochi]

It's because he's a mindless automaton that he worked so well with Jellico That's exactly what he seemed to want in a first officer & crew.

Jellico could have de-escalated the Riker conflict easily by showing the slightest empathy with the crew that lost their captain instead of blowing up at him. Instead he looked much worse to a crew that already wasn't happy with him. As for Riker not being able to fit in with a crew that didn't want him, he pretty much did in the episode where he is in the exchange program with klingons. Jellico didn't have the same ability to adapt.

I said Riker couldn't command a crew that didn't want him, in the face of a war no one thought was avoidable & then avoid it. Managing to not get gutted on a Klingon ship when you're a douche like him is impressive, but not comparable, & they spent 6 years up to then, illustrating that Data wasn't a mindless automaton. That's why it stings. Data is just more logical than the others & realizes that though they're difficult, the demands are not unreasonable, & a practical goal. Picard has demanded the difficult & unreasonable before, but it is tolerated because he has cemented good relations over time, a luxury Jellico didn't have in their current crisis. Even when Picard manages the "Season 1" crew in All Good Things... & they do react oddly to him, he still has the advantage of knowing them very well, even if they didn't know him yet

He was prepared and he was clear about own objective but there was no need for the running of the flagship of the fleet with the best officers who had seen war before to be changed so dramatically and so quickly. Things worked well on the ship and had worked efficiently in battles before so by making so many unneccessary changes all Jellico did was upset the crew without reason and upset work patterns prior to a possible war. He would have been far more successful making small changes and accepting the ability and experience of the crew was sufficient to face the Cardassians.

there was no need

unneccessary changes

without reason

I maintain that there is no proof of this. People who come down on Jellico always base it on 2 things. Firstly, that the things he was asking were overly demanding, or completely unnecessary. I don't have to prove that his orders had reason. He's the captain, & he must be a really damn good one, because HQ plucked him from his established ship & put him onto another, due to his expertise, despite the difficulty it posed in crew relations. People need to prove why his orders are unnecessary, and "Because the Enterprise crew never had to do those things before" is not a valid answer, because not only don't we know that for certain, but the Enterprise hasn't done THIS mission before

Secondly, that he lacks leadership skills. Again, he is the captain of his own ship. Clearly, under traditional circumstances, he must be worth something in the managing of people. He has the same job as Picard, & is at the top of a list to take the Enterprise in this situation.

So it is more logical to suggest that this singular circumstance posed a condition that meant he wouldn't be able to introduce himself to a new crew as he normally would. He had to adjust to crisis protocol & expect them to do the same without a proper shakedown.

Being a dick came with that assignment. He can't possibly be the kind of dick the crew made him out to be... all of the time aboard his own ship. That's essentially saying this guy has no right being a captain, & the facts don't support that conclusion

 

[Salinga]

Kirk about the 20th century people in the US: "This is an extremly primitive and paranoid culture." Seems, he is an asshole after all.

 

[The Old Mixer]

That line got a good laugh at the theater.

 

[Ithekro]

One wonders what missions USS Cairo was on most of the time.

 

[DarthPipes]

One wonders what missions USS Cairo was on most of the time.

My guess is that children weren't onboard the Cairo. Still, I wonder what a "Captain Jellico Day" would have been like.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ You'll notice that Jellico decorated the ready room (on the Ent-D) with pictures drawn by his son, so I'm guessing that a Captain Jellico Day wouldn't be out of line on the Cairo.