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Starfleet NCC registry numbers - How do they fit? - Also my theory...

NCC = Naval Construction Contract is idiotic. Why would you bother painting "NCC" on the hull of every ship if all ships are built under naval construction contracts? So all ships have NCC on them? So doesn't it seem redundant and stupid to paint that on the hull?

I prefer to think that the letter prefix was originally something really meaningful and specific when the system was developed at the founding of the Federation, but that more and more ships fit the definition for so basically all Starfleet ships wound up with NCC. One example I imagined some years ago would be that perhaps, "N" means a ship registered for government use (Federation or maybe even specifically Star Fleet.), maybe a warp equipped ship gets a "C" in it's registry and another "C" if it's equipped for combat missions. Perhaps a sub-light only patrol ship might have an "NSC" registry (For a government operated sub-light, but armed ship). Some ships were, for bureaucratic reasons, shoved into other categories when they could have qualified for more specific codes, like "NX" for a government operated experimental craft whose specific capabilites were still under wraps, or "NAR" for a government operated (or perhaps just subsidized) auxiliary resource ship, often used as science assets or other non-military needs. Before long, basically the entire Starfleet was warp capable and armed for combat so basically all Starfleet ships end up with "NCC" cause no one felt the need to alter the system as it still works well for civilian ships.

Didn't DS9 show us some civilian ships with a "YTD" registry or somesuch?

As for which ships were fit into which number groups, in my own head-canon, initially it was like Matt Jefferies wanted and a class had a specific number and then the ship number was second,* so Enterprise was the first production ship of the seventeenth starship class (Constitution would be the prototype build and therefore would have been 1700.) But, I also feel that no starship class ever had anywhere near a hundred ships in it (possible exception being Mirandas by the 24th Century) so this left a lot of potential numbers unused. I also posit that there were a lot of weird ships that were never really intended to be large class runs and that these ships, with only, say, less than 5 of, would be issued numbers from some of these "left over" registries.

But, then by sometime in the 24th Century, they decided to scrap the class series numbering since it had gotten a bit disorderly at that point, what with basically all ships qualifying for the NCC code, so they started in with strictly chronological numbers starting with NCC-10000.

Now, this might seem silly and redundant again, with almost every ship qualifying for "NCC", but not really as we still have codes like NX and NAR is steady use, and also this still is part of a larger civilian registry scheme with has its own numerous and meaningful letter codes.

That's my two cents. Enjoy it for what it is.

--Alex

*Jefferies' system of class-number/ship-number does make sense given the timeline that the franchise ended up with. If the Federation registry started with the founding in 2161, and the Constitution-class starship was the seventeenth design by 2245, that leaves 84 years to have seventeen designs, or an average of not quite five years between new classes getting in to service, which doesn't seem too outlandish for me. But then you might call me out because the Excelsior by this logic would have to have been the twentieth starship design with something like forty years between its launch and that of the Constitution. But I would counter that the number would have been assigned at the start of the project and the project, being highly experimental and dealing with radically new theoretical technologies, was greatly delayed and it would be entirely possible that NCC-2501 was already on duty by the time NX-2000 entered shakedown.
 
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There's not really any canon evidence linking the name "Constitution" to NCC-1700, even though I know I'm going against the grain of decades of behind-the-scenes assumptions here. So based on that and the evidence of Constitution class ships with registries lower than 1700, I personally think that the class ship for the Constitution line has a much lower registry, like NCC-700 or something. All the other numbers in between are just used by other types of ships. Probably not a popular opinion, but that's how I justify it.
 
Sorry for not noticing, but was that ship christened that name because of the Space Shuttle ship that the NX-class ships were named after???
- I believe so. In @Christopher 's Rise of the Federation novels, the NX-class were named after the space shuttles (picking up where ENT left off after Enterprise and Columbia), and the Endeavour was the sixth of that class, becoming NCC-06 after it's refit to Columbia-class specs and the formation of the Federation Starfleet.

I don't know that one, but the classic STTMP cutaway poster by David Kimble showed the retracted landing gear taking up a full deck-height space in the saucer.
^Yes the companion book I remember seeing showed very big landing gear, not like the ones they showed for Voyager.
- I didn't realise there was a STTMP cutaway poster or companion book, so thanks for pointing them out. I've just found an image of the poster online, and it appears that the AMT ertl 30th anniversary Ent-A cutaway poster is based on what was established on the STTMP one. Those landing legs do take up a lot of deck space, don't they?! :)
 
@USS Einstein:

Saucer separation does not resemble a modular system, in the NASA sense.

Could you cite a reference or provide a link to the definition of the NASA sense of modularity?

No answer, yet, to my question in reply? I'll take the absence of an answer as a "no."

I mean, if you're going to claim that there is some NASA sense of modularity and use it to disqualify certain branches of the discussion, then you should be able to define it. Since you appealed to the authority of NASA, you should be able to demonstrate that they even have such a concept to the exclusion of others consistent with the discussion. Otherwise, further discussion about it is pointless.
 
"The first ship with warp dive installed" according to Scotty in TAS: "The Time Trap" had the number 10281NCC. The numbers are random, whatever looked cool at the time, or references to something.

USS Franklin NX-326 is Leonard Nimoy's birthday
USS Excelsior NX-2000 looks cool and futuristic
Enterprise NX-01 establishes ENT as being a prequel
USS Constellation NCC-1017 was a re-arrangement of the 1701 AMT decals in a manner that would be easily distinguishable on low-def TV's recieving crappy signals in the 1960's.
I remember reading somewhere that either Voyager's NCC-74656 or Defiant's NX-74205 were partly someone's phone number.
 
Nope. A search on Memory Alpha for YTD turns up No Results Found.

All right, I remembered what I was thinking of, YLT-3069, the ship flown by Jaglom Shrek in "Birthright, Part I" [TNG]. How would YLT fit into the scheme I described? Maybe Y is a regional code, T is a generic transport, rated for both passengers and cargo, and L is a tonnage class? Who knows. I'm just making this crap up as I go. But its existence suggests a larger scheme might be in place.

--Alex
 
Jaglom Shrek was a Yridian, so maybe what Y is? Don't know about the L or the T.

I thought that too, but I kinda think that'd just be a coincidence, as there are only so many letters to choose from so I doubt every race gets their own. But maybe.

--Alex
 
NCC = Naval Construction Contract is idiotic. Why would you bother painting "NCC" on the hull of every ship if all ships are built under naval construction contracts? So all ships have NCC on them? So doesn't it seem redundant and stupid to paint that on the hull?
It's really part of a Starfleet ship's overall livery when you think about it. Otherwise, all a ship truly needs on her hull is her name and a pennant (either Starfleet's or the Federation's). Hull numbers are for bookkeeping purposes and may harken back to a day when ships didn't have ID transponders or onboard computer systems with that particular information on hand.
 
I'll throw in another idea for registry numbers: maybe some of them, not necessarily all, are like discovering new species, wherein the discoverer woudl name it. So perhaps the person who designs a new class of ship can chose the registry scheme. Further more some captain's might have the privilage to chose the number of their own ship. And for some persona homage, perhaps Starfleet on occassion changes the registry number of a ship to pay respect to something or someone.

I'm more likely to believe that then there being over 80,000 ships and yet there never seems to be one nearby in an emergency.
 
It appears that both NCC and NX pull from the same pool of numbers, possibly NAR as well (the Raven's NAR-32450 seems to fit the timeline.) We need to decide what "N" stands for, for which the number of ships in service makes sense. N could mean Federation government registry, civilian ships get a different prefix, probably each planet id different.

edit: other N registries include NDT, NGA and NSP,
 
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"The first ship with warp dive installed" according to Scotty in TAS: "The Time Trap" had the number 10281NCC. The numbers are random, whatever looked cool at the time, or references to something.

USS Franklin NX-326 is Leonard Nimoy's birthday
USS Excelsior NX-2000 looks cool and futuristic
Enterprise NX-01 establishes ENT as being a prequel
USS Constellation NCC-1017 was a re-arrangement of the 1701 AMT decals in a manner that would be easily distinguishable on low-def TV's recieving crappy signals in the 1960's.
I remember reading somewhere that either Voyager's NCC-74656 or Defiant's NX-74205 were partly someone's phone number.

Also, there's a USS Robinson in Treklit, that has the registry NCC-71842. It's a reference to Jackie Robinson all the way: 718 was his telephone area code in Brooklyn (while playing for the Dodgers), and 42 was his jersey number.
 
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