Sure, but how many people died because Section 31 decided to abduct Phlox (leading to his initial resistance and lack of preparation) instead of just arranging for Phlox to get involved consensually?
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Sure, but how many people died because Section 31 decided to abduct Phlox (leading to his initial resistance and lack of preparation) instead of just arranging for Phlox to get involved consensually?
Plus it was Enterprise and Columbia reaching the planet in time (which Section 31 was trying to stop) which led to Phlox being able to save the day.
The most helpful thing they did was inexplicably telling Reed where the planet was, so he could turn on them and tell Archer.
The most helpful thing they did was inexplicably telling Reed where the planet was, so he could turn on them and tell Archer.
How convenient.
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Prophets, I hope not. They haven't reared their greasy little heads in Discovery's last two seasons, so hopefully they're long fucking gone.
Have you never watched TOS? Or Undiscovered Country?
Odo won the Dominion War.
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Section 31's essential purpose is to be opposed. If sneaky covert ops are required then Starfleet can do them, like it always has.
Also I can't believe I forgot all the bad admirals in Undiscovered Country. I guess I was thinking airing order, not chronological order. I can't remember any bad admirals in TOS but that might just be my memory.
Also I can't believe I forgot all the bad admirals in Undiscovered Country. I guess I was thinking airing order, not chronological order. I can't remember any bad admirals in TOS but that might just be my memory.
If by "all" you mean ONE (Cartwright), I'd agree.
Oh right, West was a colonel. Sorry.
31 is trash. The Federation already has Starfleet Intelligence (and in some of the Trek Lit, Federation Intelligence) to do the spying. We almost never see them because mediocre writers like playing with black leather Gestapo-coated mustache twirlers supposedly doing good somewhere offscreen that we’re too immature to understand.
To the extent that they were interesting at all was when they were a small cult-like group on DS9, one without a lair or tech of their own that had to hide to survive, and did so purely in the dark hearts of those who slipped through the cracks of the better future.
Then they show up on DSC like “Hi, we are Starfleet Intelligence; have a bad day.”
It wouldn’t be the worst thing to see the secret war between the earlier them and the Starfleet Intelligence people whose job it was to rout them out. Spy vs spy x1000 across dozens of sectors. Laying traps to weed them out, counteroffensives, double double crosses, oops there’s the Tal Shiar throwing a grenade into everything.
But to really make it interesting, I’d want to see an exploration of why they need weeding out. Show, don’t tell, what their “for greater good” actions are, and show, don’t tell, why all that’s ultimately a crock.
To the extent that they were interesting at all was when they were a small cult-like group on DS9, one without a lair or tech of their own that had to hide to survive, and did so purely in the dark hearts of those who slipped through the cracks of the better future.
Then they show up on DSC like “Hi, we are Starfleet Intelligence; have a bad day.”
It wouldn’t be the worst thing to see the secret war between the earlier them and the Starfleet Intelligence people whose job it was to rout them out. Spy vs spy x1000 across dozens of sectors. Laying traps to weed them out, counteroffensives, double double crosses, oops there’s the Tal Shiar throwing a grenade into everything.
But to really make it interesting, I’d want to see an exploration of why they need weeding out. Show, don’t tell, what their “for greater good” actions are, and show, don’t tell, why all that’s ultimately a crock.
What I think would be better, and more poetic, is if Section 31 was working covertly behind the scenes to provoke a war between different factions within the Federation (for some ethically questionable security purpose), and at some point those different factions become wise to what is happening.
I like that idea.
Heck, maybe different factions within 31 are supporting different upheavals. Some based on security concerns (the Benzites aren’t pulling their weight!), others on race (the blue races are inferior!), others on culture (the Deltans are immoral and unclean!), and yet other factions within 31 are at odds with the ones supporting the upheavals and support the opposite sides.
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