News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+

[Agony_Boothb]

The Klingon redesign was Fuller's idea, but Discovery season 1 overall was very different from what Fuller had envisioned.

The core MacGuffin of season 1, spore drive, was not Bryan Fuller's idea.
The mycelial network and fungus spores were about terraforming, not space travel.
Discovery did not spin.
The Tardigrade was supposed to be an intelligent alien crew member.
The design of the bridge and uniforms was more inline with TOS:

The story that Fuller blow the budget is very nebulous.
Fuller was fired in October 2016. They hadn't build the sets nor made the costumes yet.
Principal photography only began on 24 January 2017. After Fuller supposedly blew the budget they still had enough money fly to Jordan to film the desert scene for episode 1?

CBS originally wanted Discovery to air in February of 2017 not September. Filming was delayed until January 2017 because the show was already going over it's budget while Fuller was there, which lead to the creative differences that were part of the reason he was fired.

 

[The Wormhole]

The design of the bridge and uniforms was more inline with TOS:

I seem to recall seeing comments from Fuller himself saying he wanted uniforms that placed less emphasis on rank and position and that's why they went with the blue outfits that lacked any overt rank markings.

The story that Fuller blow the budget is very nebulous.

I should think the fact he's been fired from several other shows over the past seven years also for mishandling the budget should lend credence to the story.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The Klingon redesign was Fuller's idea, but Discovery season 1 overall was very different from what Fuller had envisioned.

The core MacGuffin of season 1, spore drive, was not Bryan Fuller's idea.
The mycelial network and fungus spores were about terraforming, not space travel.
Discovery did not spin.
The Tardigrade was supposed to be an intelligent alien crew member.
The design of the bridge and uniforms was more inline with TOS:

The story that Fuller blow the budget is very nebulous.
Fuller was fired in October 2016. They hadn't build the sets nor made the costumes yet.
Principal photography only began on 24 January 2017. After Fuller supposedly blew the budget they still had enough money fly to Jordan to film the desert scene for episode 1?

I doubt that the costumes or even the bridge were ever close to being the final designed for either. Look like very early takes.

 

[The Wormhole]

Yeah, those photos give the impression they were from the earliest days of the concept design stage where TOS-ish uniforms were just used as a placeholder until work on designing the actual uniforms began. But I guess that doesn't fit into the "they screwed up and screwed us over" narrative that's so en vogue in some parts.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Saw some early TNG designs...

 

[fireproof78]

What? People don't want the first concepts in TNG?

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Hey I remember that art!

I'm glad they had the creativity to come up with so many different concepts, and the sense not to use any of them. The look definitely needed more time in the oven.

 

[Jayson1]

Saw some early TNG designs...

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I like the bottom 3 but what is missing is capes. a cape would complete the assemble for all 3 outfits. Plus they work better as civilian clothes than Starfleet outfits.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

I like the bottom 3 but what is missing is capes. a cape would complete the assemble for all 3 outfits. Plus they work better as civilian clothes than Starfleet outfits.

Please, no more capes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Please, no more capes.

What was Pablo Marcos thinking?

 

[JoseNoodles]

What was Pablo Marcos thinking?

"I wish I would have paid attention to the pilot episode." That mini-series was weird and I get the sense the people making it had little TNG content to go on, like maybe Paramount gave them little to no reference material. Maybe they got to see a couple of episodes.

 

[fireproof78]

What was Pablo Marcos thinking?

Going to get paid.

 

[Firebird]

I seem to recall seeing comments from Fuller himself saying he wanted uniforms that placed less emphasis on rank and position and that's why they went with the blue outfits that lacked any overt rank markings.

IIRC, the original Fuller-approved blue uniforms were used in the background of Michael's speech to Starfleet Command at the end of season 1. Annoyingly, they're never shown in any clear detail.

I should think the fact he's been fired from several other shows over the past seven years also for mishandling the budget should lend credence to the story.

Bryan Fuller and being fired from a show he created - name a more iconic pairing.

But seriously, I don't understand how networks keep hiring Fuller, only to shit-can him when he makes the same mess all over again.

 

[Dukhat]

IIRC, the original Fuller-approved blue uniforms were used in the background of Michael's speech to Starfleet Command at the end of season 1. Annoyingly, they're never shown in any clear detail.

This is news to me. They made blue uniforms that weren’t used because they went with…other blue uniforms?

 

[Char Kais]

IIRC, the original Fuller-approved blue uniforms were used in the background of Michael's speech to Starfleet Command at the end of season 1. Annoyingly, they're never shown in any clear detail.

This is news to me. They made blue uniforms that weren’t used because they went with…other blue uniforms?

Maybe the uniforms reminded the people in charge too much of actual classic Star Trek Uniforms

Maybe they wanted some Mass Effect reference.

Maybe they weren't "on message" and not "gender neutral" and didn't empower enough.

 

[Jayson1]

Please, no more capes.

I read those comics. They really did not understand TNG. Granted I think they came out before TNG was even really going that long so it's kind of understandable.
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[The Wormhole]

Maybe they weren't "on message" and not "gender neutral" and didn't empower enough.

Oh look, a "get woke, go broke" drive-by. Thing is, the blue Disco uniforms were not gender neutral, given the number of stripes on the shoulder piping differs between men and women, men have five stripes, women have four. Which seemed an odd decision to make to me, how do they determine how man stripes a non-binary person has? Or an alien from a race that could have multiple genders, or even just one?

 

[Frontis]

Now I'm curious what uniforms they will wear in the academy...

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Which seemed an odd decision to make to me, how do they determine how man stripes a non-binary person has? Or an alien from a race that could have multiple genders, or even just one?

It probably depends on the width of the person's torso.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Now I'm curious what uniforms they will wear in the academy...

Ones designed for the show,