News Starfleet Academy Coming to P+

[Ray Hardgrit]

How so? Because they showed the New Jersey looking like TOS? That's an awfully big leap to think the visual aesthetic of Picard erases two shows from continuity.

I just assumed it meant that the Enterprise got another refit, allowing TOS and SNW to coexist properly. If SNW gets cancelled after s5 it can work! Everything can make sense!

They fixed the Klingons, anything is possible. I never lose hope. Well, sometimes I do, but then episodes like The Bounty happen and I get it back again.

 

[HotRod]

I just assumed it meant that the Enterprise got another refit

All signs are pretty much pointing to the SNW Enterprise being the TOS Enterprise.

Between the use of footage from The Cage, to showing her in 2266 at the end of the first season, to showing the I.S.S. Enterprise......

The Strange New Worlds Enterprise IS The Original Series Enterprise. And that's ok.

 

[Nerys Myk]

"This isn't just silly science fiction. Star Trek is a period piece, it's an invented period, but you need to observe the traditions, and the continuity, and the styles." - Mike Okuda

Love Mike. But he's wrong. Trek constantly reinvents the styles. Sometimes radically (TMP, TWOK, TNG and DISCO). But given time, those radical changes become part of the traditions.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Observing the styles of the period doesn't mean LCARS and shiny combadges for all of time, it just means during that period. Time moves on, things change.

 

[fireproof78]

Love Mike. But he's wrong. Trek constantly reinvents the styles. Sometimes radically (TMP, TWOK, TNG and DISCO). But given time, those radical changes become part of the traditions.

Imagine TWOK releasing nowadays.

 

[Ray Hardgrit]

Things like Star Wars, Alien: Isolation and Fallout have shown that people these days can accept a future with a retro aesthetic that doesn't try to be an accurate prediction of what things will be like 300 years from now. So I think TWOK would do just fine today.

 

[ToddCam]

If I am still around in 2044, I look forward to the discussion of how Star Trek: To Boldly Go is not in the same universe as the previous Treks, when they respected such ideas as canon in the period from 1966-2030.

 

[NCC-73515]

No it didn't.


How narrow minded. That kind of stagnation leads to things dying.

which of the okuda's things have died?

 

[MikHutch]

I do think it's a bit crazy to expect them to adhere to 60s era ideas of the future in Discovery/SNW/Kelvin or even Ent. I mean, they're still wearing those ridiculous (imo) 60s beehives and miniskirts. It takes me out of suspension of belief more than hearing 'pro tip' in SNW

that said, it has to still believably look like a proto-version of the series its a prequel too. I feel Ent kinda basically was 'TOS era' despite being a prequel. Heck, they even meet the Ferengi 210 years before first contact. Not to mention Discovery throwing in Klingons having cloaking technology (although tbh Klingons & Romulans without cloaking aren't quite as fun). i think it's a tricky balance. Not being too restricted by canon (especially unsubstantiated fan canon) but also not entirely disregarding it.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think the TOS movie designs mostly hold up. It's just TOS itself that doesn't.

which of the okuda's things have died?

Trek before ST09?

 

[ToddCam]

Speaking of Starfleet Academy, even though it would be blasphemous, and unlikely in the apparent 5-season runs era, it would be kind of funny to have SFA be a cycling of casts each year and be like DeGrassi or something. It can even end and have several sequel series.

 

[Tuskin38]

Yeah I think it's time to get back on topic. The other discussion can easily have its own thread in General Trek or something.

 

[MikHutch]

I think the TOS movie designs mostly hold up. It's just TOS itself that doesn't.

I love TOS but I think it's just a bit too retro. We can't be too locked into our irl past views of the future, imo

It's different from, let's say, throwing the holodeck & replicators and the Borg into a TOS series

 

[Tuskin38]

Well they had what what appeared to be a primitive holodeck in TAS

 

[fireproof78]

Things like Star Wars, Alien: Isolation and Fallout have shown that people these days can accept a future with a retro aesthetic that doesn't try to be an accurate prediction of what things will be like 300 years from now. So I think TWOK would do just fine today.

It would not.

Trek takes itself as part of our history. It's not Star Wars or Fallout.

As soon as it sets a divergence point I'll treat it like it's own thing.

 

[MikHutch]

Well they had what what appeared to be a primitive holodeck in TAS

True, they referenced that in that short with Tendi, Riker & Sulu

Anyways, back on topic, i find it funny how people were worried about this being a CW kiddish show and the first new actor cast is over 60 years old

 

[fireproof78]

True, they referenced that in that short with Tendi, Riker & Sulu

Anyways, back on topic, i find it funny how people were worried about this being a CW kiddish show and the first new actor cast is over 60 years old

Clearly a diversion...

 

[The Wormhole]

Anyways, back on topic, i find it funny how people were worried about this being a CW kiddish show and the first new actor cast is over 60 years old

CW shows can have an actor in their main casts in their sixties. Walker has one, plus another in their seventies.

 

[MikHutch]

Clearly a diversion...

A tactic by the Dominion

CW shows can have an actor in their main casts in their sixties. Walker has one, plus another in their seventies.

I was mostly joking there

 

[kkt]

I like Holly Hunter. This is good casting.

She's a good actress. I'm a little surprised that Star Trek is her thing.