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SNW is that odd scenario where it is both a prequel to TOS and a sequel to DISCO.

Narratively it's a prequel to TOS, but in essential respects it's as much a sequel as TNG or any of the other series. SNW , the characters and events and visual designs, style and subject matter all exist as responses to and within the context of what has gone before them - and that, ultimately, is the first Star Trek series.
 
You know what. When I came to this forums fans in other places told me "Don't go to Trekbbs, there are a lot of Alex Kurtzman and Michael Burnham fans, not global Star Trek fans. And you know what? I didn't listen to those fans. And I'm not interested in that story. You may be Kurtzman's sinners but you are here as my Trek brothers from different world. Together we will win this even we don't agree. Me and most of Trek fans don't like 32nd century Starfleet, and you do, but it's okay. It is diversity. Diversity is thing that I respect, I'm trekkie.

I think I’ve made my feelings on DSC clear over the years, and I’m still not buying what you are trying to sell. :lol:
 
Maybe you think that SNW is S T D - spin off, but it is actually TOS prequel. Captain Pike, Spock, Number one. Everything said. They were never S T D original characters, but TOS from Cage episode.
I mean, the SNW premiere is literally based on plot points from Disco's S2 finale. And those characters you named are all played by the actors who played them on Disco. But no, of course, totally not a Disco spin-off.
If the standalone S T D was so good why were they saving it with the Enterprise and Captain Pike, Spoct etc?
They weren't brought in to "save" the show, after Fuller was fired Akiva Goldsman insisted on adding Pike to the show as he didn't understand what the point was to being in that time period if Pike wasn't going to show up.
 
They weren't brought in to "save" the show, after Fuller was fired Akiva Goldsman insisted on adding Pike to the show as he didn't understand what the point was to being in that time period if Pike wasn't going to show up.

I don't think this is true because Akiva was not involved with Season 2 in any capacity.
 
And yet, he said as much in an interview explaining why Pike was added to Disco.

Hmm.

That actually changes my thoughts on the cohesiveness of Season for the better because it means that the decision to bring in the Enterprise was made even earlier than I'd thought.
 
Sounds like his brand of idea. For someone who worked in the Berman Era of the franchise and saw how the sausage was made in that period he sure had some terrible or at the very least questionable ideas for DSC that would never have gotten past the proposal stage under the Beebs.

I'm okay with Michael but did she HAVE to be Spock's adopted sister? No. It wasn't required in the slightest to further the show's narrative.
 
It was inevitable the moment they made Michael Spock's sister, which, AFAIK, was Fuller's idea.
While it was Fuller's idea, Fuller didn't want Spock to be on the show. Indeed, the whole reason why the first Disco tie-in novel was featured Pike, Spock and the Enterprise was at Fuller's request since he had no plans to feature them in the show at all.
 
While it was Fuller's idea, Fuller didn't want Spock to be on the show. Indeed, the whole reason why the first Disco tie-in novel was featured Pike, Spock and the Enterprise was at Fuller's request since he had no plans to feature them in the show at all.

That just seems so WEIRD to me. Like, why make Burnham Spock's adopted sister (A major revelation to the number 1 Trek character of all time) and never, ever have them meet? It makes absolutely no sense.

I was originally very disappointed that Fuller was fired from Disco so early, but if he was making decisions like that, I'm sorry to say I'm glad things went the way they did.
 
That just seems so WEIRD to me. Like, why make Burnham Spock's adopted sister (A major revelation to the number 1 Trek character of all time) and never, ever have them meet? It makes absolutely no sense.
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Yes.

It may have been what he said, but I doubt it was actually true. Michael being Spock's sister (or even Sarak's daughter) adds nothing to her character in and of itself. And Fueller isn't (usually) the sort of hack to something like that just for the memberberry of it all. So either he was playing is cards close to the chest, or he was forced to do it.
 
Superman was forced to fight a spider monster in a movie, because higher-up reasons. Superman nearly had to fight polar bears in a movie, because higher-up reasons. Above the writers. Above the directors and producers.

I've no doubt Star Trek is subject to similar meddling. Someone somewhere whose name we don't even know but is high in the chain likely said "make it look modern like the movies!" and that was that, and why the 23rd century isn't much like it was.
 
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