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[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Actually most 90s shows only averaged 22-24 episodes. The Star Treks were the only shows which were consistently putting out 26 episodes every year.

The 2000s and 2010s is actually when 10-20 episode seasons became common, particularly among cable shows such as Game if Thrones (10) or The Walking Dead (16).

I went and had a chat with Perplexity.ai to see what it had to say. Short version, it agreed with you on the 22-24-episode season for 90's shows, citing "Star Trek" (TNG, DS9, VOY) doing 26 episodes per season was more an exception the standard. The More You Know... (NBC star). Thank you for this, much appreciated. I love this kind of obscure trivia.

The TV shows I like (that are not Star Trek) were always about 20-24 episodes per season all the way up until streaming. Then again, most TV shows I like barely go 5 seasons.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

True enough, but still examples of seasons with 26 episodes that saw number cuts in later years. ENT would have easily broken the 100-episode mark had the trims never happened, but at least Bakula was part of the reason and it wasn't all corporate politics.

As far as I remember, it was purely budget (S3) and Bakula (S4), which is a good thing, because it wasn't UPN interfering like they often did with S1-2. hah

 

[cooleddie74]

Man, am I glad UPN never got their wish to have the boy band on the ship.

That network was almost clueless.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Man, am I glad UPN never got their wish to have the boy band on the ship.

That network was almost clueless.

Absolutely clueless. Here's a list of UPN shows. The only good dramas they had were:

Buffy: The Vampire Slayer (S6-7, picked up from WB)
Jake 2.0 (1 season)
Legend (1 season)
The Sentinel (3 seasons)
Seven Days (3 seasons)
Special Unit 2 (1 season)
Star Trek: Voyager (7 seasons)
Star Trek: Enterprise (4 seasons)
Roswell (S3, picked up from WB)
Veronica Mars (S1-2 on UPN, S3 on CW, S4 on Hulu)

The only UPN shows I actually liked lasted on average 1-3 seasons, cancelled. Voyager was really the only show they committed to. Enterprise, they committed to for 2 seasons, S3 was "last chance," and S4 was "because the studio begged and cut the budget."

 

[Farscape One]

Absolutely clueless. Here's a list of UPN shows. The only good dramas they had were:

Buffy: The Vampire Slayer (S6-7, picked up from WB)
Jake 2.0 (1 season)
Legend (1 season)
The Sentinel (3 seasons)
Seven Days (3 seasons)
Special Unit 2 (1 season)
Star Trek: Voyager (7 seasons)
Star Trek: Enterprise (4 seasons)
Roswell (S3, picked up from WB)
Veronica Mars (S1-2 on UPN, S3 on CW, S4 on Hulu)

The only UPN shows I actually liked lasted on average 1-3 seasons, cancelled. Voyager was really the only show they committed to. Enterprise, they committed to for 2 seasons, S3 was "last chance," and S4 was "because the studio begged and cut the budget."

NOWHERE MAN was a really good show. Starred Bruce Greenwood.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

NOWHERE MAN was a really good show. Starred Bruce Greenwood.

I remember commercials, is that the amnesia-guy show?

 

[Farscape One]

Yes. Thomas Vale (Bruce Greenwood), a photographer, takes a picture of something he isn't supposed to. The season takes you on quite a few twists and turns. Also great suspense and mood.

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Yes. Thomas Vale (Bruce Greenwood), a photographer, takes a picture of something he isn't supposed to. The season takes you on quite a few twists and turns. Also great suspense and mood.

Was it he ha amnesia, or his life was erased, and he had to reclaim it? Did it have an ending?

 

[Farscape One]

Was it he ha amnesia, or his life was erased, and he had to reclaim it? Did it have an ending?

Basically, his life is stripped away. His wife doesn't know him, nor do his friends. The only evidence he has of his life is the photo negatives of 4 people getting killed. But it gets even more complicated... turns out he had implanted memories. He was an agent trying to infiltrate an organization.

Or so we think.

It ends up, if I remember right, him being simply a subject for brainwashing, thinking he is 'Thomas'.

It's really quite the mental ride.

 

[Jayson1]

Netflix launched the idea of 10-episode seasons (they saw no reason to pay for the traditional 26 episodes).

The rest of the TV landscape followed suit.

For awhile it seemed like 13 episode seasons was going to be the thing. Then it has now dropped down to either 6 or 10.

 

[Jayson1]

NOWHERE MAN was a really good show. Starred Bruce Greenwood.

"Legend" was also a good show. Made by Michael Pillar and starred Richard Dean Anderson and John De Lancie. I even have it's single season on DVD.

 

[The Wormhole]

I admit to some disappointment that they’re implying this is the original Doctor, rather than the backup copy from “Living Witness” (whom I think would have reached Federation space right around the 32nd century, so when Picardo was first announced I assumed it had to be that one). Oh well.

I mean, it should have been obvious that for the general audience it would make more sense to bring back a main character from Voyager rather than the variant of him featured in only one episode...

 

[Firebird]

Netflix launched the idea of 10-episode seasons (they saw no reason to pay for the traditional 26 episodes).

The rest of the TV landscape followed suit.

The 10-13 episode count model had been done in the UK for decades before Netflix stole the idea.

 

[cooleddie74]

Hell, some British comedies had just 6 episodes per season. The different Blackadders. The Young Ones.

 

[Tuskin38]

I admit to some disappointment that they’re implying this is the original Doctor, rather than the backup copy from “Living Witness” (whom I think would have reached Federation space right around the 32nd century, so when Picardo was first announced I assumed it had to be that one). Oh well.

Voyager fans would have more attachment to the original than the backup

I went and had a chat with Perplexity.ai to see what it had to say.

Don't use chat AIs...

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

Voyager fans would have more attachment to the original than the backup


Don't use chat AIs...

#1 I agree. The future-Doc episode was Season 4 or 5, I think? We get future-Doc who only lived through half of Voyager's run, or we get future-Doc who lived through the entire series and S2 of Prodigy. I'd rather have 900-yea-rold original Doc, but it would be cool if the other one showed up too.

#2 Why not?

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

The 10-13 episode count model had been done in the UK for decades before Netflix stole the idea.

Netflix didn't steal the idea. Click here, some shows did 13 per season, some didn't. My understanding is that in the 80's through 00's, 22-26 episodes (depending on the series) was the season-length standard. One year = 52 weeks, half that is 26, hence the 26-episode season, and half that is the 13-episode season. Netflix wasn't the first US company to adopt the 13-episode season. It would be more accurate to say Netflix copied cable TV.

 

[Tuskin38]

#2 Why not?

because they just steal from other people

 

[Admiral Jean-Luc Picard]

because they just steal from other people

Evidence?

 

[HotRod]

Evidence?

Oh come on..... tell me you're not THAT ignorant?