Like this isn't the first or even second or third time Star Wars has told things from a certain point of view?
It depends on what Episode IX actually portrays?
Who the fuck knows?
And it's "would feel," not "will feel."
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It depends on what Episode IX actually portrays?
Who the fuck knows?
And it's "would feel," not "will feel."
I know what you were saying, and you're wrong.
The people who didn't like TLJ and are expecting JJ Abrams to come in and undo Rian Johnson's decisions would be well-served, for their own mental health if nothing else, to "check those expectations at the door" because Abrams not only knew exactly what Rian was planning, he privately endorsed it and, in the case of Rey's parentage specifically, told Rian that they (both himself and Rian) had independently reached the same narrative decision about who Rey's parents were (as I have previously mentioned).
Exhibit A in people making rushes to judgment and being vociferous and kneejerk in their pro-TJL views. And thanks for the grammar lesson. But 'would' is past tense, and 'will' is future tense. Since Episode IX has not happened yet, unless you can see into the future, it's a 'will' not a 'would'. I'm trying to go out on a high note here, but since you want to be so nitpicky then I can be as well.
http://www.grammar.cl/Notes/Future_Will.htm
Wow. Exhibit B in people being absolutist in their beliefs. You don't know what will happen in Episode IX yet you are so certain I am wrong? Unless you're secretly J.J. Abrams you don't know either. Geez, some of you defenders need to ease up.
It's called "conditional mood."
"The conditional mood (abbreviated cond) is a grammatical mood used to express a proposition whose validity is dependent on some condition, possibly counterfactual."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_mood
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conditional_mood#English
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_modal_verbs#Conditional_sentences
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_modal_verbs#Will_and_would
Etc.
Emphasis on "possibly counterfactual."
You're welcome.
No thanks. Are you kidding me? You can't argue with what I said, yet for some reason you want to, so you pull out some grammatical rules which don't disprove or discount what I proposed? I wonder what pro-TLJ fans will think if what Episode IX changes what Episode XIII established about Rey's parents. We'll find out in 2019, if that actually happens. The idea seems so terrifying to you that you have to pull out a grammar book to bat it down. But it doesn't change the validity of anything I wrote and/or the question I proposed. We'll see in time.
And respond away but I'm done replying to you about this.
The point is we can't say at this point that people "will feel" anything about how Rey's parentage is handled in Episode IX, because we don't know anything about what will or won't be in it.
Nope. I addressed this already. It wouldn't be the first rodeo (see? conditional mood). We've already had: 1) Darth Vader killed Luke's father, no Darth Vader is Luke's father; 2) Yoda instructed Obi-Wan, no Qui-Gon instructed Obi-Wan; 3) Leia remembers her real mother after parting (or being parted) from Luke, no Padmé died shortly after giving birth. There've been no less than three narrative shifts in sequels from what was told to us in earlier films from "a certain point of view." What's one more? Very little at this point.
Nope. I addressed this already. It wouldn't be the first rodeo (see? conditional mood). We've already had: 1) Darth Vader killed Luke's father, no Darth Vader is Luke's father; 2) Yoda instructed Obi-Wan, no Qui-Gon instructed Obi-Wan; 3) Leia remembers her real mother after parting (or being parted) from Luke, no Padmé died shortly after giving birth. There've been no less than three narrative shifts in sequels from what was told to us in earlier films from "a certain point of view." What's one more? Very little at this point.
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You are correct in saying that I don't know with 100% factual certainty what JJ is going to do with Episode IX; however, it is not in any way "out of line" for me to suggest - based on readily available information and patterns of behavior - that those expecting him to come in and "undo" everything that is perceived by some to be "wrong" with TLJ would be wise to curb those expectations.
1) Darth Vader killed Anakin.
2) No, Darth Vader is Anakin.
3) "He's lying to Luke! That's not true! THAT'S IMPOSSIBLE!"
4) No, Darth Vader really is Anakin. Suck it up, buttercup!
...that could be the template we're looking at.
I would agree with you that you are not out of line for your suggestion if that's what I said. I didn't say that though. I said Johnson was wiggling out, not that what he established about Rey's parents will (or would) be nixed. I would prefer it was changed, but I didn't declare that it was a done deal or that it was absolutely going to happen. I didn't say that, because I can't, because I don't know. But then IMO you make this definitive declaration that I'm wrong and I thought it was quite frankly out of line and way too certain a judgment to make based on what I wrote, and also a misreading of what I had written. As I've said previously, Star Wars isn't that engaging a subject for me to go on about at the moment (I'm leaving the door open to change my mind of course), but the only reason I replied was because I thought you were misreading what I wrote and I wanted to clarify matters and defend my previous comments.
Not to drag you back in but I have a dumb question-do you not care about Star Wars in general or just the future of the franchise?
For me, I have not cared about the future of the franchise since AOTC. ROTS was enjoyable but disappointing and depressing and I pretty much didn't care. Didn't watch Clone Wars (until recently) or kept up on the books. In short, my enjoyment of Star Wars was pretty much limited to the video games I liked and rewatching the OT.
Now, with the ST, I am watching it and a bit more interested, but if they stopped making films after Episode IX I could care less. But, i still care about Star Wars. Hopefully that distinction makes sense.
It's okay to ask. Only recently has my dissatisfaction with the current direction of Star Wars just morphed into a general disinterest. (I can't stand TPM, but I liked the other prequel films. I also liked the Clone Wars, I like some of Rebels, and I've generally enjoyed the Marvel Star Wars comics-though I preferred Dark Horse's run more still. I also liked the old EU novel future, and haven't gotten into the new canon Star Wars novels much). The disconnection started with the sequel films (I found myself almost on an island in my dislike of TFA when it came out) but it's starting to creep into other Star Wars media. I still have comics I haven't read yet and novels-some I might read-others I might not-but I didn't buy TLJ on home video, only got TFA through a trade. I liked Rogue One and bought that. But before Solo came out I started losing interest in seeing it and it was odd not going to a Star Wars film as soon as I was able, but I did, and the world didn't end.
And as I've listened to You Tube discussions about Solo and the direction of Star Wars, read comments on this board, and participated in them, I became less and less invested in it. It was becoming boring. Star Wars, for the first time, really for me had become boring. And it was something I could now do without. It feels like a great void, but I'm sure I can find something else to replace Star Wars. It's an opportunity to look at other science fiction universes is how I see it.
I'm still a Star Trek fan, though I haven't really gotten into Discovery yet. And there's still the old Star Wars movies, comics, books, etc. And the old franchises like BSG, Stargate, and Babylon 5. And new stuff like The Expanse and Westworld so it's not a bad thing I suppose to expand my options.
I don't know if any of that answered your question. I will never completely reject Star Wars, it's too key an ingredient in imagination for that. However, like you, if they didn't make another Star Wars film (for me, I'm okay with stopping after TLJ) it wouldn't be as big a deal for me anymore. But as for the overall franchise itself I'm taking a personal break from it, and possibly leaving it behind for good.
So
Solo is the first Star Wars movie my friends and I haven't seen in the cinema since TPM, and ep IX will be next.
I have the same feeling about the ST and the franchise
Solo is the first Star Wars movie my friends and I haven't seen in the cinema since TPM, and ep IX will be next.
I have the same feeling about the ST and the franchise
Which is your right. I just have been there, where I felt like giving the franchise a break, but instead of just walking away I just found the stuff I enjoyed, like fan films, or video games.
I guess, for me, it is coming to a place of not feeling the need to like every single part of a franchise. I enjoy the SW films (for the most part) but the books, even pre-PT, pre-Disney, were not my thing. After a time, it became too much and I felt like there was too much stuff to try and catch up on to really enjoy it.
i don't know if that made sense, but in summary I guess you don't have to accept every part of a franchise to find what you like.
I don't invest as much emotionally, financially, or mentally in the Star Wars franchise as I did 10 or 15 years ago, but I am one person. I don't presume to think that simply because I, or a handful of those close to me, don't buy as much Star Wars merch as we did a decade ago the entire franchise is headed towards disaster.
I do think these various companies have to be careful of turning our enjoyment into feeling like a chore/obligation.
