Spoilers Star Wars: Solo - Grading and Discussion Thread
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I liked it. Obviously it had more Easter eggs than the White House lawn.
Mynock Bake, Mmmm.... burnt silicone based life.
Qi'ra knows Teras Kasi, now we know they have Playstation.
Beckett killed Aura Sing, Of course he did.
Lando Recounts his exploits with the Sharu, Cool, baby.
Dryden enjoys his Colo fish, Fresh from the docks of Naboo, no doubt.
The Imperial March in universe, Well, duh, it's the Imperial freakin' March!!
A mysterious hologram, Looks a lot like the Sith Lord who was very clearly killed in Episode I.
It wasn't without it's faults, as I'll sarcastically point out from time to time as the mood strikes, but overall I thought it was pretty good. I gave it a C, but that's only because there wasn't an option for a C+ or B-, which is the highest I would go on this one.
Mynock Bake, Mmmm.... burnt silicone based life.
Qi'ra knows Teras Kasi, now we know they have Playstation.
Beckett killed Aura Sing, Of course he did.
Lando Recounts his exploits with the Sharu, Cool, baby.
Dryden enjoys his Colo fish, Fresh from the docks of Naboo, no doubt.
The Imperial March in universe, Well, duh, it's the Imperial freakin' March!!
A mysterious hologram, Looks a lot like the Sith Lord who was very clearly killed in Episode I.
It wasn't without it's faults, as I'll sarcastically point out from time to time as the mood strikes, but overall I thought it was pretty good. I gave it a C, but that's only because there wasn't an option for a C+ or B-, which is the highest I would go on this one.
Positive yes, but not VERY positive. I believe I said something like there's nothing really wrong with it, and that I enjoyed it. That's hardly slagging it off, but it's not the kind of thing they put on posters to entice you in, is it ?
Star Wars films will almost certainly see diminishing returns like both the TNG and JJ Trek movies. We can hope that the best of them will be middlingly good, but shouldn't be surprised if they're not.
The Last Jedi was (imho) way better than we had any reason to hope after The Force Awakens, and even that doesn't seem to have gone down well with a chunk of the fanbase...
To be perfectly fair, no film could perfectly satisfied the entire fanbase.
No film ever satisfies an entire fan base, as I'm sure even ANH and TESB had some detractors, though less over time. Shots are still taken at ROTJ. And the prequels were divisive, but not as divisive seemingly as The Last Jedi. TLJ roiled fans in a way unlike previous Star Wars films did and it's something that has had a ripple effect (to what degree I can't say) on Solo's box office and also on the perception of Star Wars as an unassailable brand. Disney can right the ship-I mean, come on, it's Star Wars-but it would behoove them to take a real look at what riled people about TLJ and also why those people, and even (perhaps) TLJ fans were turned off by Solo. This drop off is a sign that Star Wars is not automatic money anymore. It could be a fluke, or it could be the start of a trend.
Does Solo's box office reflect not just a rejection by the hardcore fans ('manbabies' to quote a Rian Johnson tweet)? Or does it also show a growing disinterest in the Star Wars brand even by casual fans? And it makes me wonder just how strong the pro-Disney Lucasfilm/Star Wars fanbase is out there. Did they support Solo even? IMO Solo was tailor made to bring in old guard fans, but now winds up being dependent on the pro-Disney fans' support, and are the new fans just not that interested in a prequel about Han Solo? (Which I can understand if their first introduction to the character was in TFA). And if the new fans did go out to support Solo because it's Star Wars, is this an indication of how strong, or not, their overall box office support is?
Does Solo's box office reflect not just a rejection by the hardcore fans ('manbabies' to quote a Rian Johnson tweet)? Or does it also show a growing disinterest in the Star Wars brand even by casual fans? And it makes me wonder just how strong the pro-Disney Lucasfilm/Star Wars fanbase is out there. Did they support Solo even? IMO Solo was tailor made to bring in old guard fans, but now winds up being dependent on the pro-Disney fans' support, and are the new fans just not that interested in a prequel about Han Solo? (Which I can understand if their first introduction to the character was in TFA). And if the new fans did go out to support Solo because it's Star Wars, is this an indication of how strong, or not, their overall box office support is?
Of course it's the last jedi.
After The Force Awakens, you couldn't keep people out of Rouge One. Now after the last jedi, they can barely fill the seats for a young Han Solo movie? There has to be a reason for that.
I personally think that In Johnson's mad dash to kill everything, he also managed to kill much of the enthusiasm and goodwill that went with it. Six months ago we were told to let go of the past. Now they expect us to pay twenty bucks for it.
Dad wants to see Deadpool and the Man Babies have spoken.
After The Force Awakens, you couldn't keep people out of Rouge One. Now after the last jedi, they can barely fill the seats for a young Han Solo movie? There has to be a reason for that.
I personally think that In Johnson's mad dash to kill everything, he also managed to kill much of the enthusiasm and goodwill that went with it. Six months ago we were told to let go of the past. Now they expect us to pay twenty bucks for it.
Dad wants to see Deadpool and the Man Babies have spoken.
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I agree with you for the most part (especially your take on Johnson and Disney-Lucasfilm's smug expectations for Solo), though there was a box office dip from TFA to Rogue One, so there were people who weren't as interested to see that film, but nonetheless it made tons of money. Presumably some, but not all, of those folks came back for the next saga film, TLJ, but even that didn't get the butts in seats that TFA did. And now Solo has cratered, perhaps due also in part to it not being part of the main saga story, but also because of fan dissension over TLJ, along with other factors.
I can't remember if I read or heard the suggestion on You Tube, but I agree with this idea that the anthology films should do more to connect to the saga films. If Star Wars in emulating the MCU, each MCU has moved the story forward in some way, even if it's just an end credit scene. But there's not much of a long-term payoff for Rogue One, and it seems whatever sequel plans there are for Solo will not happen, or perhaps they'll wind up in a novel, comic, or on the Disney streaming service. The anthologies could've been the place to provide Snoke's backstory, to show Rey's parents, to explore the Knights of Ren, or show Luke's Jedi Order, all the things the saga films are too 'busy' or 'important' to ignore.
The reasons have been speculated at length but ultimately we do not have all the information to make an accurate conclusion. So, of course, TLJ will take the blame, accurate or not.
I think they do have a rough plan for the Story films. Aside from Rogue One, which they saw as a test to see if they would continue in that direction; Hence the play on words in case they decided to just focus on Saga films, making that movie the "rogue one" of the bunch.
I get the feeling they're going to expand Darth Maul's role to the Boba Fett movie and then perhaps lead to a showdown in the Obi-Wan movie. We can probably expect to see many of the characters from each of these films return as well along the way.
As far as using these to flesh out the backstories of Snoke, Rey or the Knights of Ren. They couldn't even be bothered to do that for the Saga films where it belongs, so I doubt they would be too eager to make entire movies about it.
I get the feeling they're going to expand Darth Maul's role to the Boba Fett movie and then perhaps lead to a showdown in the Obi-Wan movie. We can probably expect to see many of the characters from each of these films return as well along the way.
As far as using these to flesh out the backstories of Snoke, Rey or the Knights of Ren. They couldn't even be bothered to do that for the Saga films where it belongs, so I doubt they would be too eager to make entire movies about it.
It was unnecessary any more than we had the backstories of Palpatine or the Sith in the OT.
We didn't need those backstories in Episodes IV, V and VI, we knew twenty years in advance that we would get all that in Episodes I, II and III.
These are Episodes VII, VIII and IX, it's too late now; There's no more room left.
That's not how this works.
We had a whole animated and canonical television series set between Episodes II and III kicked off with an animated theatrical film. We've had another canonical animated series set just before Episode IV. We've had two non-saga canonical films without episode numbers. There are more TV series in the works. Too late and no more room left aren't not even remotely considerations.
I understand, but don't get the argument that the lack of backstories in the new films is justified because of a similar lack in the original films. For one, the original films were establishing the universe, whereas the sequels are coming out some 40 years later. And within that time a whole universe, a Wookeepedia of information has been built containing sometimes detailed information on almost every corner of the Star Wars universe. Even before the original film came out, there was a novelization that provided a little backstory.
Further, as pointed out, the prequel trilogy went deeper into laying out how things were the way they were in the original trilogy. I don't think it's unreasonable to assume (or want) that Disney-Lucasfilm would have developed a history for the time between Episodes VI and VII. My impression is they are making things up mostly as they go along, which would be fine, if the characters and stories were good IMO, which they aren't, IMO. And having a backstory-whether they share it or not with the audience-at least would provide some structure to the sequel trilogy films which feel like they have no direction beyond a financial imperative.
So this comes across like these characters don't have backstories, there is no explanation for the First Order, the Resistance, the state of the galaxy because Lucasfilm didn't put enough thought into it. They just expected the name Star Wars to do the selling for them.
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Can you give me proof this is true without linking to anecdotal evidence, an opinion piece, YouTube commentaries or RT’s fan opinion polls? I mean real hard evidence that The Last Jedi is why Solo has had a weak box office?
That's not how this works.
We had a whole animated and canonical television series set between Episodes II and III kicked off with an animated theatrical film. We've had another canonical animated series set just before Episode IV. We've had two non-saga canonical films without episode numbers. There are more TV series in the works. Too late and no more room left aren't not even remotely considerations.
If your entire argument hangs on the average moviegoer's knowledge of ten years worth of children's cartoons, the only thing correct about your post is the silly little laughing emoji.
Did you forget I mentioned Rogue One, Solo, and upcoming projects? And children's cartoons? That's ignorant.
They can take a look at it sure, but I really hope they don't actually try to undo anything they did or take back anything that was said in TLJ. If you're going do something as ballsy as TLJ, then you better have to balls to stick to it and not give in to a bunch of whiny little fanboys on the internet who can't handle the fact that a movie didn't go in exactly the direction they wanted.
We've already gotten the showdown between Maul and Obi-Wan, so that's off the table. If they were going to do that in a movie at this point there's only three ways they can do that, and none of them would work.
1) Retell the story we got in Rebels and Clone Wars. The problem with this one is that Maul's arc ran through multiple seasons of 2 different series, and it would be hard to distill that down to one movie, especially a movie where Maul wasn't the complete focus. The way it is spread out through both shows there is really no way you can just do those parts without the full context of the rest of the series or at least the parts of them that Maul influenced.
2) Decanonize the Maul/Kenobi duel in Rebels. This one seems even less likely to me, they have made such a big thing out of all of everything being canon, and I can't really see them decanonizing something as high profile as one of the TV series. Even decanonizing just the Maul storyline would be hard, since it weaves it's way through a season and a half-ish of the shows.
3) Give us a new confrontation between Maul and Kenobi. I don't remember for sure if Rebels said that they definitely hadn't seen each other since the Clone Wars, but it seems pretty unlikely that they would have both walked away unscathed if they had. It also wouldn't really have much of an ending since we already know any confrontation would end with them both alive and well without any significant impact.
