There's also the one-person pod thingy that Rey uses to get to Snoke's ship. So, presumably there are several of these for emergency evacuation, and the one Lando installed was custom-built for luxury.
Spoilers Star Wars: Solo - Grading and Discussion Thread
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The opening weekend projections are out and the domestic numbers are very soft but the worldwide numbers are the real disaster. I think releasing another SW movie so soon after TLJ, the mixed reception TLJ got from fans, Crammed summer with the likes of Avengers & Deadpool just swallowing up the $$$ has all lead to Solo (whose own reviews have been fine) potentially being a money loss for Disney.
They should of stuck with Christmas being the new home for release and they need to seriously re-consider after Episode 9 & the 3rd standalone movie (Obi Wan probably) about pumping out SW movies every year.
They should of stuck with Christmas being the new home for release and they need to seriously re-consider after Episode 9 & the 3rd standalone movie (Obi Wan probably) about pumping out SW movies every year.
I saw Ray Park's name in the credits for playing the character named "Maul."
TLJ was a very substandard SW film - on the level of the prequels. It just was.
- Emo Vader just isn't an engaging Villain in the way the original Darth Vader of the original trilogy was. the sad thing for me is that in the first part of TLJ they were making him somewhat interesting and showing how and why he was damaged but in the end, once Luke appeared to him - he doubled down of being a whiny petulant and incompetent leader.
- The whole "Fleet of Star Destroyers chase lone Rebel Transport for hours..." was just plain STUPID; even for Star Wars. The ENTIRE reason (so Luke-like Pilot and Side-kick could go to Space Vegas and carry out a ludicrous plan to 'save' the Transport); was painful to watch and just made no real sense.
- They got Mark Hamill to play Luke Shywalker one final time and honestly wasted the character fopr the majority of the film (the ending was nice; but all the crap with him running around the Rocks and milking sea cows for Green Milk and basically having Yoda snub him one final some - ugh.
TLJ might as well have been written by George Lucus because I seriously doubt he would have done much worse. After it, I think even general audiences have lost interest in Star Wars in general; and the box office for Solo is starting to reflect that.
Personally, I liked Solo. My complaint was they tried to basically cram the majority of what we knew via comments in previous films over a shot (maybe 3 month) span of time. I mean com,e on, his and Becket's was IMO too close for such a short period of time - and Becket's crew accepted him a little too quickly for my taste. They (thankfully) didn't show any of Solo's 3 years at the Imperial Academy. It wouldn't have hurt to do another time jump (maybe a year) with Solo being a part of Becket's crew for a time to justify some of the group's responses and Solo's response to their deaths.
I LOVED how Han and Chewbacca met and bonded <--- One of the best done aspects of the film (IMO).
The "Kira" character was a welcome surprise and I liked what they did with her and Han through the whole film (including the ending). It's sad that with this type of Box Office response, we won't see more of Solo's Pre OT storyline (which I'm sure they were setting up.)
Some other stuff with the touch stoning was just painful - like the fact that it seems implied that Solo's Kessel Run help START the entire rebellion.
Still the fact is that overall (and as someone who saw and LOVED the original Star Wars in 1977 - I was 14 years old when I saw it in '77; liked ESB a lot in 1980, but was disappointed by RoTJ 1983 and the 3 Prequel films from 1997 to 2005; although the final Light Sabre fight near the end of TPM was amazing)); I personally have enjoyed both Rogue One and Solo more than I enjoyed either TFA or TLJ. If not for Harrison Ford and Chewbacca as portrayed in TFA - I'd probably like that film a lot less.
General Audiences don't have a lot of sympathy for sub par stuff - you start taking a franchise in a direction they don't care for and you loose a lot of 'goodwill'. I think a lot of the less passionate Star Wars fans really didn't think much of TLJ (and honestly they didn't think much of the Prequels but TFA was the first Non-George Lucas written film so EVERYONE was curious); and yes, liked it's general direction enough to go see TLJ; but enough were disappointed in TLJ that now, they just see Solo as 'milking the franchise'.
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For myself, it was informative to compare the latest Avengers to TLJ. In both films, the good guys encountered failure after failure with the bad guys prevailing in the end. The difference between the two is how the source material and how the past films were treated. I felt there was more reverence and respect in Avengers than in TLJ. Besides the anti-SJW outrage I am hearing from YouTube videos, the biggest issue for fans of Star Wars is how TLJ fails to pay respect to what came before, especially in the treatment of Luke Skywalker. Avengers is on its way to become the third highest grossing film and TLJ has left a lingering shade over its franchise.
$84 million is terrible for a film with a production budget of $250-$300 million. It's worse for a Star Wars film. It will be interesting to see the direction the Star Wars franchise will take now. Disney is treating Star Wars as a paid advertisement, hoping to attract people to the Star Wars attractions at their parks. They even hyped one of their attractions in the film with a reference to a location by the activist droid to a repair yard for droids. This repair yard will be a major attraction at the Star Wars theme areas.
$84 million is terrible for a film with a production budget of $250-$300 million. It's worse for a Star Wars film. It will be interesting to see the direction the Star Wars franchise will take now. Disney is treating Star Wars as a paid advertisement, hoping to attract people to the Star Wars attractions at their parks. They even hyped one of their attractions in the film with a reference to a location by the activist droid to a repair yard for droids. This repair yard will be a major attraction at the Star Wars theme areas.
Presumably Chewie was left to die in the pit -- they would have eventually let him starve. Han saved him -- ergo life debt. But that being said, is the life debt thing even canon, or is it fanon?
"Milking the franchise," - insert Luke meme here.
Seein and reading some of the viewer/"fan" reactions to this is a large part of why I hate fandoms right now, things better be perfect or: Rage and Butt Hurt. Star Wars, Star Trek, The Walking Dead, anything mediocre or even bad and it's bitch and moan time as well as time to write the whole thing off and be done.
DSC isn't for me, don't like the look, feel and tone of it so I'm just not watching, but I'm not saying it's the end of the franchise or exhausting myself hating on it.
Watching some BTS videos on Solo, reading comments, and such just makes me hate the Internet, comment sections and people more.
I like L4, I thought [she] was funny and unique compared to other droids we've seen (I liked her more than K2-SO) and liked the relationship between her and Lando. Video interview with the woman who did L4's voice and people in the comments hating on the actress and character, "L4 made me appreciate Jar Jar Binks." Come on!
People upset about Lando's pansexuality, which if you didn't see/read about it, you wouldn't have picked it up in the movie, so people complain about SJW people changing things. Because a movie being open about the type of characters it has is worse than being upset about the proclivities of a fictional character. Besides, in a sci-fi universe with as diverese looking aliens as Star Wars wouldn't everyone need to be a bit pansexual? Couldn't we argue Jabba is pansexual or not "heteronormative" considering hes a slug creature attracted to humanoids?
It's just exhausting anymore.
I went into Solo expecting it to be okay, came out having really enjoyed it. I'd make argument fot it being better than The Last Jedi, Rogue One and maybe Force Awakens. This movie had a nice look and feel, liked the Kessel Run/maelstrom sequence and the train heist stuff was fun. I think what made this work most for me is it dealt more with the sci-fi "world" of this universe instead of dealing with the Force, Jedi, Sith, the grander fantastical elements. I liked this mundane run.
Seein and reading some of the viewer/"fan" reactions to this is a large part of why I hate fandoms right now, things better be perfect or: Rage and Butt Hurt. Star Wars, Star Trek, The Walking Dead, anything mediocre or even bad and it's bitch and moan time as well as time to write the whole thing off and be done.
DSC isn't for me, don't like the look, feel and tone of it so I'm just not watching, but I'm not saying it's the end of the franchise or exhausting myself hating on it.
Watching some BTS videos on Solo, reading comments, and such just makes me hate the Internet, comment sections and people more.
I like L4, I thought [she] was funny and unique compared to other droids we've seen (I liked her more than K2-SO) and liked the relationship between her and Lando. Video interview with the woman who did L4's voice and people in the comments hating on the actress and character, "L4 made me appreciate Jar Jar Binks." Come on!
People upset about Lando's pansexuality, which if you didn't see/read about it, you wouldn't have picked it up in the movie, so people complain about SJW people changing things. Because a movie being open about the type of characters it has is worse than being upset about the proclivities of a fictional character. Besides, in a sci-fi universe with as diverese looking aliens as Star Wars wouldn't everyone need to be a bit pansexual? Couldn't we argue Jabba is pansexual or not "heteronormative" considering hes a slug creature attracted to humanoids?
It's just exhausting anymore.
I went into Solo expecting it to be okay, came out having really enjoyed it. I'd make argument fot it being better than The Last Jedi, Rogue One and maybe Force Awakens. This movie had a nice look and feel, liked the Kessel Run/maelstrom sequence and the train heist stuff was fun. I think what made this work most for me is it dealt more with the sci-fi "world" of this universe instead of dealing with the Force, Jedi, Sith, the grander fantastical elements. I liked this mundane run.
To my mind, it isn't worth it.
This film was fun, had me on the edge of my seat and played with my expectations a little bit. Most of my annoynaces with the film are largely minor (more new alien species instead of revisiting some previously seen ones, not enough Corellia, Qi'ra's future, and the like). There just isn't enough in this film for me to go "That's bad!" like the rest of the Interwebs.
Lots of fun, would watch it again. Hitting about a "B" for me.
My impression from Solo was that the life debt was because Han not only saved Chewie but also enabled him to save his own tribe/family from slavery on Kessel.
The life debt entry on the Wiki http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Life_debt#cite_note-everything-1
Chewbacca swore a Wookiee life debt to Han Solo for freeing him from slavery under the Galactic Empire.[2]
- Star Wars: Absolutely Everything You Need to Know (Chewbacca/Han Solo)
ALF linked the canon page, not the EU page. So that is canon.
There is also canon novel named Life Debt dealing with Han and Chewie.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Aftermath:_Life_Debt
I am disturbed by some fans taking it personally and celebrating the failure of Solo. However, there is some truth in what they say. Then there is the matter of the response from Lucasfilm about some fans' reactions to the last movie, which some have interpreted as an insult to the fans.
Here is an article from The Observer about the Star Wars fandom:
http://observer.com/2018/05/star-wars-fandom-toxic-disney-lucasfilm/
The article did not have to end with a disparaging comment, yet "It's rather sad, really, but there it is."
I am saddened to see Solo fail. I believe everyone worked hard to salvage a project which might have been beyond saving.
Here is an article from The Observer about the Star Wars fandom:
http://observer.com/2018/05/star-wars-fandom-toxic-disney-lucasfilm/
The article did not have to end with a disparaging comment, yet "It's rather sad, really, but there it is."
I am saddened to see Solo fail. I believe everyone worked hard to salvage a project which might have been beyond saving.
If someone has a problem with people because of the colour of their skin or what is or isn't between their legs then they deserve to be insulted.
The people I hear who have issues with the new films do not mention color. They question the anti-capitalism message in the TLJ and the activist droid fighting for droid rights in Solo. They do not belive these things belong in a Star Wars movie. I am neutral on this.
However, I agree with them on the issue of Holdo. She was supposed to be a strong woman who rose to a position of power and comes off in the film as a bad leader. She used a tactic which I have read described in another series of books as a fragmentary plot, where each person has part of the plot but not the whole part, and this is so that if one individual is captured, they will not reveal the whole plot to the villain. Why would you use a fragmentary plot aboard a ship where everyone was on the same page and there were no villains or treachery? Holdo created villains and treachery by withholding information.
However, I agree with them on the issue of Holdo. She was supposed to be a strong woman who rose to a position of power and comes off in the film as a bad leader. She used a tactic which I have read described in another series of books as a fragmentary plot, where each person has part of the plot but not the whole part, and this is so that if one individual is captured, they will not reveal the whole plot to the villain. Why would you use a fragmentary plot aboard a ship where everyone was on the same page and there were no villains or treachery? Holdo created villains and treachery by withholding information.
Well, when I originally clicked on the link, it went to the EU one and talked at length about the life debt to Han extending to Leia Organa Solo, their kids (none named "Ben"), and also carrying on after Chewbacca's death. None of that is canon. It must have been edited afterward.
Just saw Solo. I really had low expectations going into this one. And while I did think this was a fun, enjoyable romp, it was (almost) utterly predictable. I liked Chewie. Donald Glover did an amazing Billy Dee impersonation. The characters of Beckett and Qi’ra were nice additions.
Some of the EU references were nice and they didn’t feel over the top while a few did. (There were a few fun deep cuts.) It did feel a little like let’s check all of the boxes: Han’s name. His blaster. Meeting Chewie. Meeting Lando. Doing the Kessel Run. Getting the Falcon. But it wasn’t done terribly.
If you didn’t have the GFFA connections, this would be a pretty forgettable summer action movie. Fun, sure. But a day later I wouldn’t be able to remember much. That also brings up another point: the recognizable Star Wars stuff? Other than Lando and Chewie? Not that great. The new (young) Han is passable but barely. And why is Maul running a criminal syndicate? (I don’t have a problem with him appearing but I did think the lighting the double bladed saber was a little too fanserivcy.)
I give it a B. I will say for me, it was better than Rogue One. (Blasphemy, I know!)
Some of the EU references were nice and they didn’t feel over the top while a few did. (There were a few fun deep cuts.) It did feel a little like let’s check all of the boxes: Han’s name. His blaster. Meeting Chewie. Meeting Lando. Doing the Kessel Run. Getting the Falcon. But it wasn’t done terribly.
If you didn’t have the GFFA connections, this would be a pretty forgettable summer action movie. Fun, sure. But a day later I wouldn’t be able to remember much. That also brings up another point: the recognizable Star Wars stuff? Other than Lando and Chewie? Not that great. The new (young) Han is passable but barely. And why is Maul running a criminal syndicate? (I don’t have a problem with him appearing but I did think the lighting the double bladed saber was a little too fanserivcy.)
I give it a B. I will say for me, it was better than Rogue One. (Blasphemy, I know!)
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The whole sequence works if you change it so that Holdo thinks they have a spy on board and that's how the First Order was able to track them. She doesn't believe hyperspace tracking exists. This would give need for both the secrecy of the escape plan and the unauthorized nature of the casino trip.
