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Spoilers Star Wars: Solo - Grading and Discussion Thread

What would you rate it?

  • A+

    Votes: 7 4.5%
  • A

    Votes: 25 16.1%
  • A-

    Votes: 28 18.1%
  • B+

    Votes: 38 24.5%
  • B

    Votes: 24 15.5%
  • C

    Votes: 18 11.6%
  • D

    Votes: 12 7.7%
  • F

    Votes: 3 1.9%

  • Total voters
    155
Maybe it's higher than Anakin's?

Oh hell, they're going to go ahead and have her be the result of Snoke using the Midichlorians to impregnate someone on Jakku, aren't they? Just like Anakin's mother was impregnated by the Midichlorians at the behest of Palpatine and Darth Plageuis? I can actually see that, the story of her parents being nobodies is still true, but she ends up having some pre-ordained purpose in the Grand Scheme of Things after all.

I could see them going that route. Which would nicely tie back into the prequels and overall saga. Lucas did say something about how poetry rhymes and with the less hostility toward the prequels today than even when TFA premiered, I could see Episode IX plumbing the depths more of the prequels. I was watching a video a moment ago talking about that.

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Rey might have a high count, but she also appears to be sort of a mimic. She can witness something, or have something tried on her and than respond in kind after a few attempts.

Han Solo, on the other hand, is pure luck and skill.
 
That would be very Dune-like. Plus the ensuing chain reaction of heads exploding would be quite a thing to see.

If you think about it, they were young and idealistic, in the face of an Empire in shambles and many looking to take advantage. Plus a huge percentage that was still loyal to the Empire. Repopulating the Jedi may have seemed like a good idea at first.
 
Rian Johnson himself is already wiggling out of Rey's parentage. Just because Kylo Ren said they were nobodies, well, Obi-Wan told Luke that Vader murdered his father (albeit it, you can artfully say that's true, but Obi-Wan knew Luke perceived it much differently, as a physical murder. Also the audience took it that way as well, so that made the twist so wonderful when we find out who Vader really is).

Rey's journey is not altered by revealing who her parents are/were. Providing the knowledge of her parentage might root Rey more into the overall story of Star Wars, but also explain some of how she is so powerful and adroit in the Force with seemingly little training, and it also removes one more complaint from dissenting fans.

There is ''no story" about Rey's parents based on a decision that Johnson made, which felt like a contradiction to whatever Abrams was aiming for in TFA. And just because the theme of TLJ is about deconstructing myths doesn't mean the theme of Episode IX has to be. As much as TLJ wasn't beholden to TFA, why does Episode IX have to be beholden to TLJ? If anything I can see Abrams revisiting some of the ideas that Johnson tossed to the side.
Just because it wasn't visited in TLJ, why does it mean it was "tossed aside?" There is a lot of assumptions that Johnson discarded much of Abrams work, even though, there are accounts that Abrams had least had knowledge of what TLJ was about.

Rey's parents could certainly be revisited without undoing any of Johnson's work or the themes built upon in TFA and TLJ. Also, there was already hints that Rey's parents were not going to appear in TFA.
 
Just because it wasn't visited in TLJ, why does it mean it was "tossed aside?" There is a lot of assumptions that Johnson discarded much of Abrams work, even though, there are accounts that Abrams had least had knowledge of what TLJ was about.

A lot of those assumptions seem to ignore one simple point: JJ Abrams is directing Episode IX. I can't imagine JJ would take on directing another movie (particularly how apprehensive he was about doing TFA) if he didn't appreciate where the story was going and figure he could work with it. The man does not need the paycheck.
 
I’m going to preface this article by saying there’s still a wide berth for knowing exactly how much Solo is going to lose Disney but there are still a lot of ancillary deals to be done. Also, let’s remember that Disney has already come very close (if not skyrocketed past) it’s initial investment in LFL. I don’t think this is as bad a story it looks (but I could be wrong).

In any case, ’Solo' Will Lose $50M-Plus in First Defeat for Disney's 'Star Wars' Empire
 
I’m going to preface this article by saying there’s still a wide berth for knowing exactly how much Solo is going to lose Disney but there are still a lot of ancillary deals to be done. Also, let’s remember that Disney has already come very close (if not skyrocketed past) it’s initial investment in LFL. I don’t think this is as bad a story it looks (but I could be wrong).

In any case, ’Solo' Will Lose $50M-Plus in First Defeat for Disney's 'Star Wars' Empire
A loss does not mean the same to a corporation as it does to the average consumer.
 
Oh, I forgot that it went through that much of TCW.

Well, I'm including the Nightsisters arc because you really need that to set up Maul's return despite the fact that
he only appears as a distorted image in a crystal ball at the end.

Just because Kylo Ren said they were nobodies, well, Obi-Wan told Luke that Vader murdered his father

In 1980 some people thought Vader was lying to Luke. In 2018 some people think Kylo was lying to Rey - even though he emphasizes, as Maz did, that she already knows the truth herself.

There is ''no story" about Rey's parents based on a decision that Johnson made, which felt like a contradiction to whatever Abrams was aiming for in TFA.

Maz's dialogue to Rey in TFA seems strangely similar to what Kylo says to her in TLJ.
 
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Can't agree with that one.
I expected many to argue with me about it. That's fine. To me, it strikes true at the Jedi origin as Samurai style warriors. It is very evocative of their prowess.

Secondly, it builds wonderfully off of Duel of the Fates, showcasing that Obi-Wan has learned and grown, while Maul expects him to be old and stagnant.

Finally, it is reminiscent of old martial arts masters who discuss not adding to their skills, but slowly unlearning what is not necessary.

In short, it encapsulates what I like about martial arts, and the Jedi in one scene.
 
Besides, can you imagine if Maul and Obi-Wan had indeed done an epic lightsabre duel with the two of them leaping all over the place and doing fancy Force acrobatics? People are already complaining Vader's rather lifeless lightsabre technique in comparison to what we saw in Rogue One feels out of place, if Obi-Wan were jumping around and holding his own against Maul a year or so prior to ANH, then the comparatively tame fight between Vader and Obi-Wan on the Death Star would just be a major WTF now.
 
Rey might have a high count, but she also appears to be sort of a mimic. She can witness something, or have something tried on her and than respond in kind after a few attempts.

It probably has more to do with Darth Dumbass sticking his mind into every stranger's head he comes across. Sooner or later, he was bound to find someone who'd be able to read back through the connection.

"Bury your feelings deep down, Luke. They do you credit, but they could be made to serve the Emperor," or, alternatively, psychically rush into every mental room you find with your dick hanging out.

Besides, can you imagine if Maul and Obi-Wan had indeed done an epic lightsabre duel with the two of them leaping all over the place and doing fancy Force acrobatics? People are already complaining Vader's rather lifeless lightsabre technique in comparison to what we saw in Rogue One feels out of place, if Obi-Wan were jumping around and holding his own against Maul a year or so prior to ANH, then the comparatively tame fight between Vader and Obi-Wan on the Death Star would just be a major WTF now.

Just six more months for Scene 38 Reimagined.
 
It gets better. Loocashcow Film made a movie about "Porg: A Star Wars Story", and here's the footage - fresh from the cutting room floor!

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(yes, that was a real deleted scene from "The Last Jedi". What happened when Luke carelessly tossed his lightsaber away.)
Not according to this. https://movieweb.com/last-jedi-porg-lightsaber-scene-fan-edit-video/
 
Besides, can you imagine if Maul and Obi-Wan had indeed done an epic lightsabre duel with the two of them leaping all over the place and doing fancy Force acrobatics? People are already complaining Vader's rather lifeless lightsabre technique in comparison to what we saw in Rogue One feels out of place, if Obi-Wan were jumping around and holding his own against Maul a year or so prior to ANH, then the comparatively tame fight between Vader and Obi-Wan on the Death Star would just be a major WTF now.

Well there wasn't much room to jump while fighting Vader
 
Just because it wasn't visited in TLJ, why does it mean it was "tossed aside?" There is a lot of assumptions that Johnson discarded much of Abrams work, even though, there are accounts that Abrams had least had knowledge of what TLJ was about.

Rey's parents could certainly be revisited without undoing any of Johnson's work or the themes built upon in TFA and TLJ. Also, there was already hints that Rey's parents were not going to appear in TFA.

I didn't say he discarded much of Abrams work, but I do believe Johnson ignored or changed what he wanted to, even if it made his film less cohesively tied to TFA.

Perhaps it's a matter of semantics here, but it does seem to me that Johnson was being a big cavalier-which was his right as the director and he got the go ahead from Lucasfilm to do so-with some characters, plot points from TFA. We've touched on how he didn't address Rey's parents or Snoke's history. But also Rey's memory (flashback?) of the Knights of Ren in the rain, which we assumed (I know, wrong of many of us) had something to do with the destruction of Luke's Jedi Order, was ignored, and arguably retconned in TLJ. Though the Knights of Ren could've been some students that went with Ben, but where did they get those nifty costumes and weapons so fast, unless they had been planning to leave Luke's Temple for a while, which doesn't seem to fit with how the film portrayed the memories of both Luke and Ben. That being said, there's enough wiggle room there where it's not that big of a deal, but the Knights of Ren is a dropped plot point. Also, Johnson just sped up the timeline-inorganically-of the war, now having the First Order on the verge of conquering the galaxy-even though they had just suffered a massive loss of Starkiller Base, but following organically from TFA was not what Johnson wanted to do, it didn't fit the story he wanted to tell, so he just overwrote or massaged the ending of TFA to fit his story and he counted on our going gaga over all things Star Wars not to notice or care much.

Abrams did appear to be on board with Johnson's direction, but he wasn't coming back at the time, so why ruffle feathers, even if he did have issues? It wouldn't be good office politics to piss off Kathleen Kennedy, Lucasfilm, or Disney, and also it might be considered bad form to impede Johnson's work or stand in his way. Besides, Abrams had made a mess and left it for Johnson to clean up. Johnson added more to the mess and then just swept some of it to the side to leave for Colin Trevorrow. But now, Abrams has to clean up the mess he started and Johnson added to it, which perhaps is just desserts.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/...ter-of-star-wars-purchase-price/#50f290ab481d

https://www.forbes.com/sites/scottm...t-grossing-star-wars-movie-ever/#15a99b69730e

https://www.cbr.com/solo-a-star-wars-story-analyst-poor-marketing/

https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2018/06/04/entertainment/star-wars-fans-analysis/
 
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