Star Wars Rebels Season One (spoilers)
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Well, yeah, but if they wanted to communicate with other rebels, isn't that also a good reason to keep them from transmitting?
Actually its a good reason to let them so you can trace the signal to the other cell or cells and then wipe them out as well.
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Can you guess at which end of the spectrum Kyle Katarn resides?
I had to look up Kyle Katarn (I was curious, since he got mentioned in Darths and Droids recently), and apparently he's a character from several video games. I suppose that would put him in the same category as the "Expanded Universe" tie-ins that have now been retconned, which I guess would fall under the "Legends" category in the above chart.
But of course Ithekro is right; the creators of new canon are free to draw on whatever elements they want from any source they want. They're free to contradict non-canonical sources, but they're just as free to borrow or reinvent elements from them.
But of course Ithekro is right; the creators of new canon are free to draw on whatever elements they want from any source they want. They're free to contradict non-canonical sources, but they're just as free to borrow or reinvent elements from them.
^Heh, I was half kidding about Kyle Katarn because essentially all his elements have been boiled down into Kanan, and Jan Ors isn't entirely different from Hera. I just thought it would be neat to meet their slightly harder edged versions of themselves, plus I've always wanted to see more Katarn ever since playing Dark Forces when I was like 4. :P
Only if you live in the USA, and I don't (as do many other people on this BBS.)
Some clips from "Rebel Resolve"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBKjfuJRSQ&feature=youtube_gdata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgfOddEZf4g&feature=youtube_gdata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rBKjfuJRSQ&feature=youtube_gdata
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgfOddEZf4g&feature=youtube_gdata
I am fine with Kanan missng for a while.
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Katarn also appeared in some comics, illustrated novels (based primarily on the games) and in a few of the Del Rey novels.
"Clone Wars"-which according to Disney is still canon-used a few EU characters such as Asajj Ventress and Quinlan Vos (Who both will star in one of the new 'canon' novels), but at least with Ventress her backstory (originally fleshed out in the comics and a bit in the Clone Wars 2003 series) was altered a lot with the whole Nightsister thing (as well as her fate by ROTS) as well as designs such as the Republic Commando armor and the Z-95 starfighter (Although that was altered a bit).
AOTC and ROTS also featured appearences from the character Aayla Secura (A blue, "Twi'lek" (aliens with the head tales) Jedi) who had appeared first in Dark Horse comics.
So Katarn might be a possibility in some form. As for him being similar to Kanan, Kanan started as a traditional Jedi but had to go on the run, whereas Kyle started as a Stormtrooper, but eventually joined the alliance (although more as a mercenary) and didn't officially become a Jedi until after Endor (Even then he had some problems with the dark side, elaborated on in Mysteries of the Sith expansion and the third Dark Forces game Jedi Outcast). He eventually becomes a prominent Jedi master in the later books though.
Another interesting thing about those games: In the original EU, the Valley of the Jedi which plays a prominent role in the games was eventually retconned into the battleground of the "final" battle between Jedi and Sith a millenium before the movies (As elaborated in Dark Horse's Jedi vs. Sith series and the Darth Bane novels)
"Clone Wars"-which according to Disney is still canon-used a few EU characters such as Asajj Ventress and Quinlan Vos (Who both will star in one of the new 'canon' novels), but at least with Ventress her backstory (originally fleshed out in the comics and a bit in the Clone Wars 2003 series) was altered a lot with the whole Nightsister thing (as well as her fate by ROTS) as well as designs such as the Republic Commando armor and the Z-95 starfighter (Although that was altered a bit).
AOTC and ROTS also featured appearences from the character Aayla Secura (A blue, "Twi'lek" (aliens with the head tales) Jedi) who had appeared first in Dark Horse comics.
So Katarn might be a possibility in some form. As for him being similar to Kanan, Kanan started as a traditional Jedi but had to go on the run, whereas Kyle started as a Stormtrooper, but eventually joined the alliance (although more as a mercenary) and didn't officially become a Jedi until after Endor (Even then he had some problems with the dark side, elaborated on in Mysteries of the Sith expansion and the third Dark Forces game Jedi Outcast). He eventually becomes a prominent Jedi master in the later books though.
Another interesting thing about those games: In the original EU, the Valley of the Jedi which plays a prominent role in the games was eventually retconned into the battleground of the "final" battle between Jedi and Sith a millenium before the movies (As elaborated in Dark Horse's Jedi vs. Sith series and the Darth Bane novels)
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So he could one day become a part of the canon... But he definitely isn't now, and honestly, I can't think of a singly reason for the writers to write him in....
Unless... they make him a protagonist in that rumored standalone movie about the Deathstar plans heist... Which probably won't happen.
You should know better.
Look... You honestly expect the writers of all these upcoming spin-off movies to have their hands tied by licensed works that the great majority of target audiences don't even know exist?
It doesn't work that way. It never worked that way. It never WILL work that way.
Okay... Strictly speaking, the word "canon" means the original source material as distinct from derivative materials like tie-ins and fanfiction. The word was first applied (outside of a religious context) by Sherlock Holmes fans and critics to refer to Arthur Conan Doyle's own 60 Holmes tales, in order to distinguish them from the Holmes pastiches -- what we'd now call fan fiction -- written by other authors. So contrary to popular belief, canon is not some kind of official designation, most of the time. As a rule, it's a term that only has any meaning in reference to derivative works, and so it's generally only used by critics, scholars, and fans. The people creating the canon don't have to label it canon, since whatever they create is the canon by definition.
The only time that official declarations of canon come into play is when the status of tie-in materials come into question. The original work is the canon by definition; but its creators can issue statements about whether or not the tie-ins -- the stuff that other people create in their universe -- can be considered of a piece with the canon. When it's said that tie-ins are canonical, that usually just means they're consistent with and respected by the canon.
But of course any active canon is a mutable, evolving thing. Calling something canonical is not a guarantee that it will perpetually remain in continuity, because canons often rewrite their own continuity through retcons or soft reboots (see Dallas retconning an entire season as a dream, or X-Men: Days of Future Past using time travel to semi-reboot the film series). Canon and continuity are not synonymous. After all, a canon is not a documentary, it's a story. And stories are subject to reinterpretation and revision.
The only time that official declarations of canon come into play is when the status of tie-in materials come into question. The original work is the canon by definition; but its creators can issue statements about whether or not the tie-ins -- the stuff that other people create in their universe -- can be considered of a piece with the canon. When it's said that tie-ins are canonical, that usually just means they're consistent with and respected by the canon.
But of course any active canon is a mutable, evolving thing. Calling something canonical is not a guarantee that it will perpetually remain in continuity, because canons often rewrite their own continuity through retcons or soft reboots (see Dallas retconning an entire season as a dream, or X-Men: Days of Future Past using time travel to semi-reboot the film series). Canon and continuity are not synonymous. After all, a canon is not a documentary, it's a story. And stories are subject to reinterpretation and revision.
You could have just linked to Dayton Ward's badass post from awhile back:
http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=1852334&#post1852334
Now guess which stories are more likely to get revised, or just flat out ignored? Those filmed, or those printed?
Well, George Lucas made about 5 billion edits to the original trilogy, and overrode the first Clone Wars animated show with the second, so I'd say both.
The Star Wars canon is not something that will be reset every 5 years - the old EU lasted 23 years, even after the prequels caused changes.
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