Star Wars Rebels Season One (spoilers)

[Reverend]

So any guess as to Fulcrum's identity?

I'm assuming it's (she?) is a pre-established character since they're being so secretive about it.

Mon was my first guess, but the voice did have a strong American accent.

Well if they want to double down and make it a *big* reveal then I'm thinking it might be Leia. I can absolutely see her involving herself with the rebellion without Bail's knowledge or consent. I mean he can't keep her on Alderaan forever, she has too much of her father in her.

 

[Saga]

Empire Day was really good. the show works well when the characters aren't being goofy or at each others throats.

 

[davejames]

^Haven't seen that episode yet, but yeah totally agree. The characters are already more than fun and likeable enough without the goofy slapsticky humor, so there's no real need to keep injecting it into the episodes.

I can only hope as the show goes on that Filoni will realize that and dial it down even further.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Well if they want to double down and make it a *big* reveal then I'm thinking it might be Leia.

Is she even old enough?

 

[sojourner]

If this is 5 years before Yavin she'd be in her teens. Heck, Han should be well into his smuggling career.

 

[CorporalClegg]

That'd make her 14, right? That's still pretty young.

 

[Reverend]

That'd make her 14, right? That's still pretty young.

15. Remember that Empire Day is close to her birthday too and they said in this episode that it's the 15th Anniversary. Regardless, that's pretty much the age Padme was when she ruled a planet, to say nothing of Ahsoka and of course, Ezra.

 

[davejames]

Ok, have to agree that Empire Day was pretty awesome. Loved the brief glimpse we got of the Emperor and his royal guards, and the look at a new TIE fighter, and especially the plans for the AT-AT. And there was yet another really exciting and well-designed action sequence at the end with the Troop Transports and the escape on the Ghost (a ship whose design I'm loving more and more with every episode).

And on top of all that we also saw Kallus and the Inquisitor working together for the first time.

The only real complaint I have is the show's reliance on the same few aliens again and again. Much as I like the Rodians and Greedo, it's getting a bit annoying seeing multiple versions of him walking around everywhere they go, as if it's the Rodian's home planet or something. And I'm also not crazy about how they're only being used for goofy comedic purposes as well, because that's certainly not how I saw Greedo in ANH.

 

[Mudang Harada]

^Haven't seen that episode yet, but yeah totally agree. The characters are already more than fun and likeable enough without the goofy slapsticky humor, so there's no real need to keep injecting it into the episodes.

I can only hope as the show goes on that Filoni will realize that and dial it down even further.

They are/were probably doing it on purpose to get the kiddies really into it, as i just told before.

 

[Mudang Harada]

Ok, have to agree that Empire Day was pretty awesome. Loved the brief glimpse we got of the Emperor and his royal guards, and the look at a new TIE fighter, and especially the plans for the AT-AT. And there was yet another really exciting and well-designed action sequence at the end with the Troop Transports and the escape on the Ghost (a ship whose design I'm loving more and more with every episode).

And on top of all that we also saw Kallus and the Inquisitor working together for the first time.

The only real complaint I have is the show's reliance on the same few aliens again and again. Much as I like the Rodians and Greedo, it's getting a bit annoying seeing multiple versions of him walking around everywhere they go, as if it's the Rodian's home planet or something. And I'm also not crazy about how they're only being used for goofy comedic purposes as well, because that's certainly not how I saw Greedo in ANH.

We will get more modesl, and maybe that's just the sort of planet. Some immigrants are more prominent than others in certain parts of the US, why cannot the same thing happen on Lothal?

 

[Joel_Kirk]

If this is 5 years before Yavin she'd be in her teens. Heck, Han should be well into his smuggling career.

That'd make her 14, right? That's still pretty young.

That'd make her 14, right? That's still pretty young.

15. Remember that Empire Day is close to her birthday too and they said in this episode that it's the 15th Anniversary. Regardless, that's pretty much the age Padme was when she ruled a planet, to say nothing of Ahsoka and of course, Ezra.

I haven't checked 'Wookiepedia' yet, to see what date Leia's birthdate has been set as. However, I do recall her age being 16 for "A New Hope," which would put her age at around 11 in this current series.

 

[Skywalker]

I haven't checked 'Wookiepedia' yet, to see what date Leia's birthdate has been set as. However, I do recall her age being 16 for "A New Hope," which would put her age at around 11 in this current series.

Revenge of the Sith took place 19 years before A New Hope, so she (and Luke) would be about 14 at the time of Rebels.

 

[Christopher]

Yes, Leia was 19 in the original film, not 16. (Carrie Fisher was 20-21 during production.)

 

[Reverend]

As I already said, in RotS we saw Luke & Leia born very shortly (probably a matter of days) after Order 66 & "Empire Day" and it's clearly said in this episode that it's the 15th Anniversary. So while they might technically be 14, they're really only a few days to a week off of being 15.

 

[ALF]

Out of the Darkness
Leia seemed pretty confident in Episode IV, I'm sure she was a rebel from a very young age. But does that make her Fulcrum? Genius move if it does. Fucrum could easily be Bail Organa, especially since we've established that Kanan met him once and he has an interest in the Rebels. However, hasn't Fulcrum been around for quite a while? Seems like Hera/Sabine have been arguing about it for a while. Fulcrum has been suggested to be Mon Mothma or Ackbar but I doubt it. I certainly don't doubt that they'll show up in the future of SW: Rebels.

Could Fulcrum be Ahsoka? Another bold, genius move if she does. I recall reading about her role in the series described as a fulcrum before the episode aired.

Fulcrum definition: the support, or point of rest, on which a lever turns in moving a body.
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Could one not argue that is an apt summary of Ahsoka's impact on the Jedi Order and/or Anakin? She did provide a major turning point for the Jedi Order as well as Anakin, who considered it a failure, perhaps on his own part, that she left the order. Would she be spending her post-Jedi days trying to take down the Empire in secret? I figured she would become a smuggler. It would be fun, maybe, if that Fulcrum was another completely random Jedi we've never heard of... who of course would need to be killed off by the end of the series.
Anyway... it's a fun mystery so far.

As for Empire Day I feel odd discussing those spoilers as a lot of folks haven't seen it so... this isn't confirmed but I'm very certain about it:

Spoiler: Empire Day, major spoilers about Ezra's background

Ezra's the son-of-a-clone? Seems very likely as he was born when the Empire was born so suring the end of the clone wars. And his mom must be a Jedi since he is force sensitive. Can you see it in his face (look past the Aladdin-ness)? I'm guessing his mom will be a new female Jedi character, unless anyone with crazy ears can recognize the voice from TCW. They wouldn't get the guy who voices all the clones to voice a non-clone character, it wouldn't make sense. He dad must be a clone. What if it's Gregor? Some insist it must be Captain Rex. They are really beating the horse about "only taking care of yourself" though. We get it. Being selfish isn't cool.

Sadly, next week's episode 7 may be the last for a while. Maybe there is a break until the new year? The list of episode titles tapers out after Gathering Forces. There will be 9 more this season but when will they air?

 

[Reverend]

I can't see them playing the Ahsoka card this early on. That's the kind of thing you save for season 3 once the main characters have all settled into their roles. Plus, I can't see Ahsoka being a good fit for the role. Fulcrum appears to be someone with a lot of high level access to Imperial information, but unable to act openly or directly. That means a government official or some highly placed bureaucrat or mid-level facilitator.

Bail and Mr. "Senator in Exile" person (who I'm already putting money on turning out to be a double agent for Palpatine) seem too obvious for my money. That leaves only a few possible candidates (assuming Fulcrum is an established character) of which, to be Leia would be the most interesting.
If Ahsoka's still out there, she's likely sticking to the shadowy corners of the underworld, not walking the halls of power.

Oh and you don't need crazy hearing abilities to know who voiced Ezra's mother. Kath Soucie (who also voiced Minister Maketh Tua in this episode) is credited with the roll. Out of interest, she's previously voiced a handful of characters in TCW including Mon Mothma, Senator Bonteri. Obviously "Mira" can't be either of those so she's probably a new character (assuming the father was indeed a clone.)

Come to think of it, were there any prominent (non-elderly librarian) human female Jedi in TCW? I can't think of a single one!

That name "Mira" jumped out at me as being close to Mara (Jade?) but then I remembered that there's already been a Jedi called Mira in KotOR 2. Probably a coincidence....but perhaps not?

Also; I thought the data disc Ezra found looked familiar and it looks like I was right. Neat. That makes two (possible) Star Wars video game references in one episode. Bonus points for the very similar context.

 

[CorporalClegg]

As I already said, in RotS we saw Luke & Leia born very shortly (probably a matter of days) after Order 66 & "Empire Day" and it's clearly said in this episode that it's the 15th Anniversary. So while they might technically be 14, they're really only a few days to a week off of being 15.

Or Filoni is retconing.

I've always thought she was 19 in the original film. I'm pretty certain I've heard Georgie (Or even Fischer.) say as much at some point or another.

Either way, whether she's 14 or 15, for Leia to be the liaison/coordinator between terrorist cells is a bit of a stretch.

I suppose one could argue that people that age have governed in times past, but that was when the human lifespan was relatively short. One would think that in the Star Wars universe the average human lives 100+ years.

Oh and, if it turns out to be Ahsoka, I'll probably have a fanboygasim.

 

[Reverend]

As I already said, in RotS we saw Luke & Leia born very shortly (probably a matter of days) after Order 66 & "Empire Day" and it's clearly said in this episode that it's the 15th Anniversary. So while they might technically be 14, they're really only a few days to a week off of being 15.

Or Filoni is retconing.

I've always thought she was 19 in the original film. I'm pretty certain I've heard Georgie (Or even Fischer.) say as much at some point or another.

Either way, whether she's 14 or 15, for Leia to be the liaison/coordinator between terrorist cells is a bit of a stretch.

I suppose one could argue that people that age have governed in times past, but that was when the human lifespan was relatively short. One would think that in the Star Wars universe the average human lives 100+ years.

Oh and, if it turns out to be Ahsoka, I'll probably have a fanboygasim.

Or the simplest explanation is that the show is only 4 years before ANH?

As for Leia's abilities, keep in mind that in ANH she was an Imperial Senator leading a daring mission to transport ludicrously sensitive *stolen* information and retrieve a Jedi General in exile. Either of which could (and indeed *did*) mean a death sentence. Also, from what Vader said, this is clearly not her first run-in with him, just the first time he's caught her in the act. She was no new to this and hand no trouble nailing a Stormtrooper right between the eyes.

Anyway, *if* Leia is Fulcrum then I'd wager it's something she's doing behind Bail's back. Indeed, he appears to still be in the information gathering stage while she (theoretically) is running agents and arranging supply drops.
Also keep in mind that someone of her station would have been brought up in statecraft from a very young age and is most likely already active in some official capacity.

 

[Christopher]

I suppose one could argue that people that age have governed in times past, but that was when the human lifespan was relatively short.

Well, the average human lifespan was relatively short in the past, but that's mainly because infant and child mortality were so high. There were always people who lived to their 70s or more, elders who were revered for their wisdom. The Bible did specify "threescore years and ten" as a human's allotted span.

There have been plenty of underage monarchs in history, but generally they were figureheads with adult regents effectively running things on the monarchs' behalf until they came of age. Then again, Alexander the Great ruled as regent in his father's absence at the age of 16, whereupon he overcame a revolt by the Thracian Maedi and established a city called Alexandropolis in their territory. Cleopatra inherited the throne at 18. So it's not unheard of.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I can't see them playing the Ahsoka card this early on. That's the kind of thing you save for season 3 once the main characters have all settled into their roles. Plus, I can't see Ahsoka being a good fit for the role. Fulcrum appears to be someone with a lot of high level access to Imperial information, but unable to act openly or directly. That means a government official or some highly placed bureaucrat or mid-level facilitator.

Bail and Mr. "Senator in Exile" person (who I'm already putting money on turning out to be a double agent for Palpatine) seem too obvious for my money. That leaves only a few possible candidates (assuming Fulcrum is an established character) of which, to be Leia would be the most interesting.
If Ahsoka's still out there, she's likely sticking to the shadowy corners of the underworld, not walking the halls of power.

Oh and you don't need crazy hearing abilities to know who voiced Ezra's mother. Kath Soucie (who also voiced Minister Maketh Tua in this episode) is credited with the roll. Out of interest, she's previously voiced a handful of characters in TCW including Mon Mothma, Senator Bonteri. Obviously "Mira" can't be either of those so she's probably a new character (assuming the father was indeed a clone.)

Come to think of it, were there any prominent (non-elderly librarian) human female Jedi in TCW? I can't think of a single one!

That name "Mira" jumped out at me as being close to Mara (Jade?) but then I remembered that there's already been a Jedi called Mira in KotOR 2. Probably a coincidence....but perhaps not?

Also; I thought the data disc Ezra found looked familiar and it looks like I was right. Neat. That makes two (possible) Star Wars video game references in one episode. Bonus points for the very similar context.

I love Kath too. She's one of my favs. And she's all over Star Wars stuff. (Female Smuggler FTW!)

And I think you're right about the human female Jedi in TCW. Aside from Ahsoka, obviously, Luminara, Aayla, Shaak-Ti and Adi are the only ones I can think of that had any significant parts.

Also, since Mira, was obviously originally meant to be a nod to Mara (red hair, green jacket), I'm guessing it's just a coincidence. It is a fairly common (especially in SF&F) name.

As for Leia's abilities, keep in mind that in ANH she was leading a daring mission to transport ludicrously sensitive *stolen* information and retrieve a Jedi General in exile. Either of which could (and indeed *did*) mean a death sentence. Also, from what Vader said, this is clearly not her first run-in with him, just the first time he's caught her in the act. She was no new to this and hand no trouble nailing a Stormtrooper right between the eyes.

But there again, 19 or 20 is a big jump from 14 or 15. Even if she started when she was 17 or 18, she would have grown up a lot in those couple of years.

Even now, it's extremely hard to think about 19 or 20 year olds dying in combat, but they do. But to think about 15 year old dying in combat is a horrific thought and the business of monstrous terror groups.