Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[cooleddie74]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

As Enterprise demonstrated with the Trek continuity and history. Kirk never once mentioned Jonathan Archer, but as the TOS Defiant's computer database proved Archer and the NX-01 were a well established part of Starfleet history listed in the history texts of that time.

 

[JacksonArcher]

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It's definitely a cool idea, but it does feel like something that could change some of the established context and history a bit. Especially considering Vader and Palpatine (and numerous Imperial officers) never made any mention of these Inquisitors before, over the course of three movies.

I dunno. The idea of someone or something trying to bring back the Sith feels unoriginal to me. We've had the Sith for almost six movies now - yes, the original trilogy had the Empire - but I'd like to see a new threat or new enemy.

The galaxy feels awfully small if the Imperials/Sith are the only bad guys out there. Even though I thought the New Jedi Order books got a little too dark/morose for my liking, I liked the basic concept: Luke Skywalker is trying to bring back the Jedi Order, there's a New Republic and then a brand-new threat comes along that's even worse than the Sith. It made the Star Wars universe feel scary and large, like there were tons of alien species and lifeforms out there that we barely even know about.

I'm also not sure how I feel about the rumor involving Luke. After The Empire Strikes Back, Han Solo was captured for what seemed like a manner of months, maybe more or less, before Luke and Leia rescued him. The timetable seems awfully long for Luke to have been gone, but that's just my take. I recognize these are rumors and there's a strong chance they are all wrong/misinformed. I kinda hope they are.

 

[cooleddie74]

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The generally accepted timespan between Episodes V and VI is a year, maybe a little bit more than that. The official Lucasfilm chronology has the events of JEDI taking place a year after those in EMPIRE (3 ABY - 4 ABY). Individual fan mileage will, of course, vary.

 

[davejames]

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I dunno. The idea of someone or something trying to bring back the Sith feels unoriginal to me. We've had the Sith for almost six movies now - yes, the original trilogy had the Empire - but I'd like to see a new threat or new enemy.

The galaxy feels awfully small if the Imperials/Sith are the only bad guys out there. Even though I thought the New Jedi Order books got a little too dark/morose for my liking, I liked the basic concept: Luke Skywalker is trying to bring back the Jedi Order, there's a New Republic and then a brand-new threat comes along that's even worse than the Sith. It made the Star Wars universe feel scary and large, like there were tons of alien species and lifeforms out there that we barely even know about.

Yeah I can definitely appreciate that argument. After six movies of black-robed villains with red lightsabers plotting against our heroes, it would be kind of nice to see something a bit different. And I do kinda like the idea of an outside threat from another galaxy, and the unpredictability that comes with that.

But at the same time... it IS really hard to beat the iconic power of the Sith. Any other villain or alien threat they try to create would most likely just feel like a derivative of some Trek or superhero movie villain, since we've seen nearly every possible variation of that kind of thing by now. And it's doubtful they'd be half as memorable or cool as the Sith and Empire anyway.

Jedi vs Sith is what really defines SW and separates it from all the other scifi and fantasy out there, and ultimately I think I'd like to hold onto that. Plus after all these years, I'd be seriously disappointed if I didn't get to see Luke Skywalker engage in one more epic lightsaber battle with someone.

 

[DWF]

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Bringing the Sith back is an unoriginal move but so bringing back the OT characters. And I don't think I'll be all that excited until the first trailer shows up.

 

[FPAlpha]

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Did we really get a good look at Sith "culture" or the very varied forms they take on?

Original trilogy had an old geezer and a black cyborg but basically they were just evil versions of Jedi.

New trilogy had a demon looking Sith and the old geezer again, this time with a little more insight into their own ways.

For once i'd like the movies to flesh out the Sith a little bit more and not just be evil versions of Jedi with some different powers. I don't know if Abrams will do this or just use them as the standard opposition to the heroes so they have something to do. For me the success of every good side/bad side movie rests on the shoulders of the villains. If they are well written and acted they may even be more interesting that the main hero (Ledger's Joker being a prime example of this).

So if they manage to write / cast some engaging Sith i have no problem with them, just don't make them boring, force lightnining throwing evil Jedi.. that's too easy.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

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CNN linked to this article on spoilers, including the robotic hand holding JJ's FfC note, and a possible change of profession for Han (which surprised the shit out of me)

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Spoiler: Han's change

Interesting that it appears to be a Super star destroyer. We only saw one in the films-Vader's-but Han did say 'there were a lot of command ships'.

 

[Mr Light]

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Didn't Han Solo command an SSSD at the opening of Courtship of Princess Leia?

 

[cooleddie74]

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Sounds very intriguing. I'm looking forward to more details.

 

[AgentCoop]

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I dunno. The idea of someone or something trying to bring back the Sith feels unoriginal to me. We've had the Sith for almost six movies now - yes, the original trilogy had the Empire - but I'd like to see a new threat or new enemy.

The galaxy feels awfully small if the Imperials/Sith are the only bad guys out there. Even though I thought the New Jedi Order books got a little too dark/morose for my liking, I liked the basic concept: Luke Skywalker is trying to bring back the Jedi Order, there's a New Republic and then a brand-new threat comes along that's even worse than the Sith. It made the Star Wars universe feel scary and large, like there were tons of alien species and lifeforms out there that we barely even know about.

Yeah I can definitely appreciate that argument. After six movies of black-robed villains with red lightsabers plotting against our heroes, it would be kind of nice to see something a bit different. And I do kinda like the idea of an outside threat from another galaxy, and the unpredictability that comes with that.

But at the same time... it IS really hard to beat the iconic power of the Sith. Any other villain or alien threat they try to create would most likely just feel like a derivative of some Trek or superhero movie villain, since we've seen nearly every possible variation of that kind of thing by now. And it's doubtful they'd be half as memorable or cool as the Sith and Empire anyway.

Jedi vs Sith is what really defines SW and separates it from all the other scifi and fantasy out there, and ultimately I think I'd like to hold onto that. Plus after all these years, I'd be seriously disappointed if I didn't get to see Luke Skywalker engage in one more epic lightsaber battle with someone.

I totally agree. It'll be cool to introduce different kinds of villains and different kinds of conflicts in the spinoff films, but at it's core Star Wars has always been about Light Side VS. Dark Side (usually Jedi vs. Sith) and I think the core movies should reflect that. Anything else would feel like it came from a different movie.

 

[DWF]

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Han being in charge of a star destroyer certainly feels out of character maybe Lando litered the Falcon with too bottles of Colt .45 during the celebrations on Endor.

 

[Stevil2001]

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Didn't Han Solo command an SSSD at the opening of Courtship of Princess Leia?

I don't think Han ever commanded a Super in the novels, but he did command a Republic task force in the X-Wing novels and Courtship that included some Star Destroyers (his flagship was a Mon Cal cruiser, though). Lando commanded a pair of standard Star Destroyers in Dark Empire, though he crashed both of them.

 

[davejames]

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Yeah that's the one rumor so far that I'm not crazy about. I'm fine with Han not owning the Falcon anymore (since it was already a pretty old and beat up ship during the OT years), but that he would actually be commanding an SSD now just defies belief.

What would even be the need for something like that? You only fly around in something that big and scary if you want to strike fear into the hearts of people, and it's hard to imagine the former Rebel Alliance ever wanting to do that. And it definitely doesn't seem at all like Han's style. Even as a general.

I can see him maybe taking over one of those things temporarily as part of an attack on the new Empire, or to sneak into their territory like they did with the shuttle in ROTJ, but not as a ship he just normally commands.

 

[Mr Light]

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Since an SSD is by the far the largest, most impervious, and most destructive ship out there, it makes perfect sense for a military VIP to be commanding it.

Surely the Rebellion would use the captured Star Destroyers and SSDs and not just scrap them. The Empire is certainly going to keep using them.

 

[FreezeC77]

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Since an SSD is by the far the largest, most impervious, and most destructive ship out there, it makes perfect sense for a military VIP to be commanding it.

Surely the Rebellion would use the captured Star Destroyers and SSDs and not just scrap them. The Empire is certainly going to keep using them.

Actually it wouldn't be a first for the SW universe (counting the now aborted EU) for a destroyer to be in service that long. In it you had Booster Terrikk actually gain private ownership of a captured Star Destroyer and then run it as a large mobile casino and shadowy smuggler den type place for decades.

Would rather see Han Solo in that type of role than as military commander of one though.

 

[DWF]

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Yeah that's the one rumor so far that I'm not crazy about. I'm fine with Han not owning the Falcon anymore (since it was already a pretty old and beat up ship during the OT years), but that he would actually be commanding an SSD now just defies belief.

What would even be the need for something like that? You only fly around in something that big and scary if you want to strike fear into the hearts of people, and it's hard to imagine the former Rebel Alliance ever wanting to do that. And it definitely doesn't seem at all like Han's style. Even as a general.

I can see him maybe taking over one of those things temporarily as part of an attack on the new Empire, or to sneak into their territory like they did with the shuttle in ROTJ, but not as a ship he just normally commands.

JJ Abrams seems to have a thing about huge spaceships, I imagine the super star destroyer will have a good death.

 

[FreezeC77]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Yeah that's the one rumor so far that I'm not crazy about. I'm fine with Han not owning the Falcon anymore (since it was already a pretty old and beat up ship during the OT years), but that he would actually be commanding an SSD now just defies belief.

What would even be the need for something like that? You only fly around in something that big and scary if you want to strike fear into the hearts of people, and it's hard to imagine the former Rebel Alliance ever wanting to do that. And it definitely doesn't seem at all like Han's style. Even as a general.

I can see him maybe taking over one of those things temporarily as part of an attack on the new Empire, or to sneak into their territory like they did with the shuttle in ROTJ, but not as a ship he just normally commands.

JJ Abrams seems to have a thing about huge spaceships, I imagine the super star destroyer will have a good death.

With the old girl(Falcon) then departing? There's that classic image in ESB with the Falcon attaching itself to the upper tower part of one of the Star Destroyers chasing it.

The Super Star Destroyers have special escape pods on their upper command suite section. How about having the Falcon 'parked' there for Han Solo's own use? He has the crew abandon ship and sends his SSD onto a collision course while jumping into the Falcon for an escape.

 

[DWF]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

Yeah that's the one rumor so far that I'm not crazy about. I'm fine with Han not owning the Falcon anymore (since it was already a pretty old and beat up ship during the OT years), but that he would actually be commanding an SSD now just defies belief.

What would even be the need for something like that? You only fly around in something that big and scary if you want to strike fear into the hearts of people, and it's hard to imagine the former Rebel Alliance ever wanting to do that. And it definitely doesn't seem at all like Han's style. Even as a general.

I can see him maybe taking over one of those things temporarily as part of an attack on the new Empire, or to sneak into their territory like they did with the shuttle in ROTJ, but not as a ship he just normally commands.

JJ Abrams seems to have a thing about huge spaceships, I imagine the super star destroyer will have a good death.

With the old girl(Falcon) then departing? There's that classic image in ESB with the Falcon attaching itself to the upper tower part of one of the Star Destroyers chasing it.

The Super Star Destroyers have special escape pods on their upper command suite section. How about having the Falcon 'parked' there for Han Solo's own use? He has the crew abandon ship and sends his SSD onto a collision course while jumping into the Falcon for an escape.

That'd be kind of cool too, that also sounds like how the Battlestar Pegasus was destroyed on Galactica.

 

[davejames]

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Hmm, so the latest is that Luke has actually been missing more like 10 years instead of 30. Which is a bit more plausible, I'd say.

I mean it could be that Han and Leia had noticed he was missing earlier and sent out various search parties, but they just all came up empty. And now it's just sort of a running mystery, until they find some new clue in the lightsaber that finally sends them in the right direction.

http://makingstarwars.net/2014/08/s...oks-dooku-connection-leia-hutts-lucas-vision/