Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
This. I would squeal like a little girl if that happened.
This. I would squeal like a little girl if that happened.
Doctorwhovian
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Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
The trooper actually reminds me a bit of the design they used for the LEGACY comics-still pretty much the classic but more streamlined.
The gunneries were actually going to be used in ROTJ I think, in the deleted scenes there's some rough footage of that.
Also according to the guy who did the sketch, the Stormtroopers were real suits, so it's good to see practical Stormtroopers again (Although I liked the design of the clone armor, sometimes their CGI was iffy).
The trooper actually reminds me a bit of the design they used for the LEGACY comics-still pretty much the classic but more streamlined.
The gunneries were actually going to be used in ROTJ I think, in the deleted scenes there's some rough footage of that.
Also according to the guy who did the sketch, the Stormtroopers were real suits, so it's good to see practical Stormtroopers again (Although I liked the design of the clone armor, sometimes their CGI was iffy).
Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII
About the full-size Falcon prop. Has anybody read/heard whether this is the full size Falcon built for TESB or a completely new prop? I read that the old one was disassembled and stored after the original trilogy (heck they didn't even use it in ROTJ except for a part of it in the deleted sandstorm scene). I would think Lucasfilm takes better care of stored props than, say, Paramount.
About the full-size Falcon prop. Has anybody read/heard whether this is the full size Falcon built for TESB or a completely new prop? I read that the old one was disassembled and stored after the original trilogy (heck they didn't even use it in ROTJ except for a part of it in the deleted sandstorm scene). I would think Lucasfilm takes better care of stored props than, say, Paramount.
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From what I read the Falcon prop was basically torn apart and thrown into a huge bonfire after ROTJ. They might have held onto a few smaller pieces, like the chess board or cockpit chairs or something, but that's probably about it.
The Falcon built for VII is mostly likely all new.
From what I read the Falcon prop was basically torn apart and thrown into a huge bonfire after ROTJ. They might have held onto a few smaller pieces, like the chess board or cockpit chairs or something, but that's probably about it.
The Falcon built for VII is mostly likely all new.
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Probably so. I just never got the impression that they stored the components of the ship in a warehouse somewhere.
Probably so. I just never got the impression that they stored the components of the ship in a warehouse somewhere.
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I doubt Abrams will be able to resist.
I don't buy that. The way I see it he just has a high midichlorian count, not any kind of predisposition to evil. It's not like he has "darkside-chlorians".
The "he" in "everything he knew" could refer to Palpatine instead of Plagueis.
And the Force was still a mystical energy field; nothing established about the Force in the OT was decanonized.
Lucas offered Sith creation of Anakin as a possibility during a 2005 interview ( however, in a different 2005 interview he said that the Force created Anakin ). On the ROTS DVD commentary Rick McCallum said that the opera scene involved the origin of Anakin.
Nerd Nitpick: she wasn't a Tatooine slave woman at the time.
That does not follow.
Then why didn't she say so? She doesn't have any reason to lie to Qui-Gon about it. Having had sex with someone she didn't really know would be a situation she could explain quite easily.
I doubt Abrams will be able to resist.
cooleddie74 said:
I don't buy that. The way I see it he just has a high midichlorian count, not any kind of predisposition to evil. It's not like he has "darkside-chlorians".
CorporalCaptain said:
The "he" in "everything he knew" could refer to Palpatine instead of Plagueis.
CorporalCaptain said:
And the Force was still a mystical energy field; nothing established about the Force in the OT was decanonized.
CorporalCaptain said:
Lucas offered Sith creation of Anakin as a possibility during a 2005 interview ( however, in a different 2005 interview he said that the Force created Anakin ). On the ROTS DVD commentary Rick McCallum said that the opera scene involved the origin of Anakin.
kirk55555 said:
Nerd Nitpick: she wasn't a Tatooine slave woman at the time.
kirk55555 said:
That does not follow.
kirk55555 said:
Then why didn't she say so? She doesn't have any reason to lie to Qui-Gon about it. Having had sex with someone she didn't really know would be a situation she could explain quite easily.
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It would be a lie, by deliberate deception, for the pronoun he to have a different antecedent at different parts of the sentence like that. He, his, and him collectively occur six times in that sentence, and for what you are proposing to be true, 5/6 of the time the antecedent is obviously Plagueis and 1/6 of the time it's randomly Palpatine. The situation gets even more lopsided when you add in the surrounding sentences, in which the antecedents of he, his, and himself are also all obviously Plagueis. Palpatine could theoretically have intended it to be the way you propose, but it would constitute a lie, as a deceitful expression of the truth. So, that doesn't break the so-called quandary without postulating a lie.
I said "just stated" not "stated just to be".
The line in question is [this script agrees with what's on screen]:
"Unfortunately, he taught his apprentice everything he knew, then his apprentice killed him in his sleep."
It would be a lie, by deliberate deception, for the pronoun he to have a different antecedent at different parts of the sentence like that. He, his, and him collectively occur six times in that sentence, and for what you are proposing to be true, 5/6 of the time the antecedent is obviously Plagueis and 1/6 of the time it's randomly Palpatine. The situation gets even more lopsided when you add in the surrounding sentences, in which the antecedents of he, his, and himself are also all obviously Plagueis. Palpatine could theoretically have intended it to be the way you propose, but it would constitute a lie, as a deceitful expression of the truth. So, that doesn't break the so-called quandary without postulating a lie.
Quite so, and I never said otherwise. All I said was (paraphrasing) that the only revelation made about the nature of the Force in the OT was that it was a mystical energy field, the point being that midi-chlorians were not delved into in the OT, obviously. My point was that in this instance material content was added in the PT on top of what we knew in the OT. Ergo, just because Shmi doesn't understand how Anakin was conceived, that doesn't mean that there won't be more specific detail given about it in a later film down the line. I halfway expect that we will eventually in film find out more about the conception of Anakin.
I said "just stated" not "stated just to be".
Interesting. Thank you.
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I don't think that qualifies as a lie, really.
If you read the Luceno books in the EU you can see the author struggling with this issue. Oddly, the approach changes between Dark Lord and the later Darth Plagueis; in the former, a semantic distinction is drawn between "cheating death" and whatever Plagueis was able to do, such that Plagueis did not actually "cheat death". By Darth Plagueis this approach has been dropped; Plagueis resurrects Venamis and it is sufficiently clear that Plagueis was the "one" alluded to. So how to explain Palpatine's apparent lack of ability in this area? It may be that the difference is less about knowledge and more about "practice makes perfect" combined with natural ability. Palpatine clearly gets the main idea behind the power as evidenced by his dialogue, but Plagueis spent years as a hermit of sorts immersed in his studies and it's at least possible that he was somewhat stronger in the Force ( or the dark side ) than Palpatine.
CorporalCaptain said:
I don't think that qualifies as a lie, really.
If you read the Luceno books in the EU you can see the author struggling with this issue. Oddly, the approach changes between Dark Lord and the later Darth Plagueis; in the former, a semantic distinction is drawn between "cheating death" and whatever Plagueis was able to do, such that Plagueis did not actually "cheat death". By Darth Plagueis this approach has been dropped; Plagueis resurrects Venamis and it is sufficiently clear that Plagueis was the "one" alluded to. So how to explain Palpatine's apparent lack of ability in this area? It may be that the difference is less about knowledge and more about "practice makes perfect" combined with natural ability. Palpatine clearly gets the main idea behind the power as evidenced by his dialogue, but Plagueis spent years as a hermit of sorts immersed in his studies and it's at least possible that he was somewhat stronger in the Force ( or the dark side ) than Palpatine.
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I thought she had been born a slave, like Anakin. They never went into her past in the movies, so unless a book told her past I'd just assume she was always a slave.
Nerd Nitpick: she wasn't a Tatooine slave woman at the time.
I thought she had been born a slave, like Anakin. They never went into her past in the movies, so unless a book told her past I'd just assume she was always a slave.
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There is another place to assign the lie, too (if you'll follow my assumption that Palpatine is lying, which I firmly believe/assume). The lie would be that Sidious needs Vader to discover the power that only one had achieved. In other words, Palpatine would be unwilling to share what he knows with Vader, lest he make himself vulnerable as did Plagueis, even to the point of pretending that there is nothing to share. To me that seems perfectly in character for Palpatine, and it allows for him to hold a great deal of power that we never saw him directly wield in the PT/OT.
There is another place to assign the lie, too (if you'll follow my assumption that Palpatine is lying, which I firmly believe/assume). The lie would be that Sidious needs Vader to discover the power that only one had achieved. In other words, Palpatine would be unwilling to share what he knows with Vader, lest he make himself vulnerable as did Plagueis, even to the point of pretending that there is nothing to share. To me that seems perfectly in character for Palpatine, and it allows for him to hold a great deal of power that we never saw him directly wield in the PT/OT.
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I don't see where anyone could get the idea there was a father involved in Anakin's conception. Shmi pretty clearly states there was no father, not that she didn't know the father. Those are two very different statements. I had always thought that Anakin's birth was caused by The Force itself and that that was why he was so powerful. I hadn't come across the idea that Anakin was created by Palpatine until just a year or so ago, but I kind of like it since it gives us another example of how powerful and manipulative Palpatine was.
I don't see where anyone could get the idea there was a father involved in Anakin's conception. Shmi pretty clearly states there was no father, not that she didn't know the father. Those are two very different statements. I had always thought that Anakin's birth was caused by The Force itself and that that was why he was so powerful. I hadn't come across the idea that Anakin was created by Palpatine until just a year or so ago, but I kind of like it since it gives us another example of how powerful and manipulative Palpatine was.
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I don't get the whole biological father theory neither. It's brutally clear from the Tatooine sequences of Episode I forwards that Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One of Jedi prophecy, a person conceived by the Force and the midichlorians themselves for the grand purpose of bringing balance to the Force and more or less saving the galaxy from itself. Shmi says "there was no father. I carried him. I gave birth. I raised him. I can't explain what happened."
Unless she got hammered at a cantina one night about ten years prior to Episode I and then had sex with one of the two Sith Lords there's no biological father - except to the extent that the Sith as male humans or humanoids played a role in Anakin's creation using the Dark Side and manipulating the midichlorians.
I don't get the whole biological father theory neither. It's brutally clear from the Tatooine sequences of Episode I forwards that Anakin Skywalker is the Chosen One of Jedi prophecy, a person conceived by the Force and the midichlorians themselves for the grand purpose of bringing balance to the Force and more or less saving the galaxy from itself. Shmi says "there was no father. I carried him. I gave birth. I raised him. I can't explain what happened."
Unless she got hammered at a cantina one night about ten years prior to Episode I and then had sex with one of the two Sith Lords there's no biological father - except to the extent that the Sith as male humans or humanoids played a role in Anakin's creation using the Dark Side and manipulating the midichlorians.
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I don't see how anyone could watch the opera scene and not come away with the impression that Palpatine and/or Plagueis had a hand in Anakin's conception. That was certainly my understanding when I left the theatre on opening day.
My thinking is it went one of two ways: Either the "Will Of The Force" (whatever that may mean) created Anakin and Palpatine and/or Plagueis sensed this was happening and intervened, or the opposite: Palpatine and/or Plagueis set about trying to create some kind of Super-Sith© and the Force went "Whoa, not so fast there" and did it's work to insure that Anakin's existence would eventually bring about balance.
I don't see how anyone could watch the opera scene and not come away with the impression that Palpatine and/or Plagueis had a hand in Anakin's conception. That was certainly my understanding when I left the theatre on opening day.
My thinking is it went one of two ways: Either the "Will Of The Force" (whatever that may mean) created Anakin and Palpatine and/or Plagueis sensed this was happening and intervened, or the opposite: Palpatine and/or Plagueis set about trying to create some kind of Super-Sith© and the Force went "Whoa, not so fast there" and did it's work to insure that Anakin's existence would eventually bring about balance.
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The novel Darth Plageuis (which was approved by George Lucas) established that Plageuis and Sidious did a ceremony to wrest control from the Force itself and create life, but they're not sure what happened exactly at the climax.
So a) they created Anakin by accident or b) the Force created Anakin in reaction to what they were doing in order to stop them.
My second reading of the book convinced me it's B.
The novel Darth Plageuis (which was approved by George Lucas) established that Plageuis and Sidious did a ceremony to wrest control from the Force itself and create life, but they're not sure what happened exactly at the climax.
So a) they created Anakin by accident or b) the Force created Anakin in reaction to what they were doing in order to stop them.
My second reading of the book convinced me it's B.
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To be fair, one could theorise, that the Sith created Anakin the old fashoned way (or with normal meditech) and made Shimi forget what happened using some sort of mind control.
To be fair, one could theorise, that the Sith created Anakin the old fashoned way (or with normal meditech) and made Shimi forget what happened using some sort of mind control.
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I have to wonder why the Sith would create a child who might one day destroy them. I guess Palpatine grew rather smug after being in power for 20 odd years, he predicted tath Anakin had any children they've wind up killing him, yet he allowed Vader to try and turn Luke to the dark side. e then wanted Luke to kill Vader and take his place at his side.
I have to wonder why the Sith would create a child who might one day destroy them. I guess Palpatine grew rather smug after being in power for 20 odd years, he predicted tath Anakin had any children they've wind up killing him, yet he allowed Vader to try and turn Luke to the dark side. e then wanted Luke to kill Vader and take his place at his side.
Doctorwhovian
Fleet Captain
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One of the earlier scripts for ROTS had Palpatine outright say that "In a way, I am your father" or something like that.
The same script also had Palpatine state that Count Dooku had a role in the death of Anakin's mother, and also might have had Han Solo on Kashykk.
(These come from JW Rinzler's making of ROTS book if I remember correctly).
One of the earlier scripts for ROTS had Palpatine outright say that "In a way, I am your father" or something like that.
The same script also had Palpatine state that Count Dooku had a role in the death of Anakin's mother, and also might have had Han Solo on Kashykk.
(These come from JW Rinzler's making of ROTS book if I remember correctly).
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And yet Obi-Wan tells Luke in ROTJ that the Emperor knew taht if Anakin had any offspring they'd be a theat to him. So it makes little sense for them to create Anakin.
And yet Obi-Wan tells Luke in ROTJ that the Emperor knew taht if Anakin had any offspring they'd be a theat to him. So it makes little sense for them to create Anakin.
