Taking out Darth Maul was OBi-Wan's final test, by taking out Qui-Gon he pretty signaled his death. Besides he really wasn't all that interesting. Dooku was a more interesting character. TFA seems like it's overloaded with villains, so who knows how long Kylo will last? But it's a given he won't survive the trilogy.
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Dooku was redundant.
I just hope that Kylo Ren gets more than the five minutes of screen time Darth Maul got in The Phantom Menace.
I think that was a big part of the problem I had with TPM. They built up Maul through out the build up to the film, then he was hardly in it.
Well, if the talking toys are to be believed he'll have more than four lines, anyway.
Hopefully.
The 1999 Darth Maul figures with CommTech chips had lines of dialogue that were cut from the theatrical edit of The Phantom Menace. His first action figures ended up saying more than he did.
The 1999 Darth Maul figures with CommTech chips had lines of dialogue that were cut from the theatrical edit of The Phantom Menace. His first action figures ended up saying more than he did.
He had more lines in the TV spots than he did in the film.Hopefully.
The 1999 Darth Maul figures with CommTech chips had lines of dialogue that were cut from the theatrical edit of The Phantom Menace. His first action figures ended up saying more than he did.
IMO despite the whole fallen jedi angle, he worked better as an antagonist and foil to Obi-Wan than to Anakin. In many ways he is a dark shadow to the Obi-Wan we see in ANH. If they switched him and Maul in TPM/AOTC that would have been interesting.
I thought one of the interesting things about TPM was Darth Maul and his double-bladed light saber. I'd really hate to lose the fight with the two Jedi vs Maul, in any kind of alternate version or rewrite.
The fight is an interesting "tale of two lightsabers," and the theme of 2:1 permeates the fight on many levels. Maul gains the upper hand when he reduces the fight to one-on-one. When Obi-Wan comes out after Qui-Gon has fallen, Obi-Wan's moves are about defending both sides of his body with a single blade, whereas with his two-bladed weapon Maul can attack both sides of Obi-Wan's body more efficiently than Obi-Wan can defend them. Yet Obi-Wan is up to the challenge and he reduces the fight to one blade versus one blade. In reply, Maul adopts a passive-aggressive style, not attacking with his blade but rather attacking with the Force (no blade). Obi-Wan is disarmed (no blade) but wins by using the other Jedi blade, and in a further ironic twist (apparently) dispatches Maul by cutting him in half.
The fight is an interesting "tale of two lightsabers," and the theme of 2:1 permeates the fight on many levels. Maul gains the upper hand when he reduces the fight to one-on-one. When Obi-Wan comes out after Qui-Gon has fallen, Obi-Wan's moves are about defending both sides of his body with a single blade, whereas with his two-bladed weapon Maul can attack both sides of Obi-Wan's body more efficiently than Obi-Wan can defend them. Yet Obi-Wan is up to the challenge and he reduces the fight to one blade versus one blade. In reply, Maul adopts a passive-aggressive style, not attacking with his blade but rather attacking with the Force (no blade). Obi-Wan is disarmed (no blade) but wins by using the other Jedi blade, and in a further ironic twist (apparently) dispatches Maul by cutting him in half.
Maul was a wasted opportunity, in my opinion. Either use him as the PT's villain as whole, building him up and up and up (killing Jedi, like Qui-Gon and Sifo-Dias and the like) until he faces down Anakin, showing Anakin's skill and fall to the Dark Side in order to defeat Maul.
I don't mind Dooku as the face of the Separatist movement, especially if he appears in Ep. 1 as a Jedi Council member, who retires after Qui-Gon's death (as the EU states). Bring him in as the elder statesman who tries to force the Republic's hand, before Maul leads the war (instead of Grievous).
As for Kylo Ren, I'm really hoping he has an active role in TFA. Hopefully Snoke remains a more mysterious character, like the Emperor in ESB, and is expanded upon later.
Also, too many villains in TFA? Um, there are not any more than ROTJ of even ESB? You have the crime lord on Jakku, Kylo, General Hux and Snoke. There is not that many who can't all work together.
I don't mind Dooku as the face of the Separatist movement, especially if he appears in Ep. 1 as a Jedi Council member, who retires after Qui-Gon's death (as the EU states). Bring him in as the elder statesman who tries to force the Republic's hand, before Maul leads the war (instead of Grievous).
As for Kylo Ren, I'm really hoping he has an active role in TFA. Hopefully Snoke remains a more mysterious character, like the Emperor in ESB, and is expanded upon later.
Also, too many villains in TFA? Um, there are not any more than ROTJ of even ESB? You have the crime lord on Jakku, Kylo, General Hux and Snoke. There is not that many who can't all work together.
He had more lines in the TV spots than he did in the film.Hopefully.
The 1999 Darth Maul figures with CommTech chips had lines of dialogue that were cut from the theatrical edit of The Phantom Menace. His first action figures ended up saying more than he did.
The Darth Maul "tone poem" TV trailer probably contained more words of dialogue than the movie did, that is if the commercial had him speak more than just three or four sentences.
"Fear is my ally" and "fear attracts the fearful" would have been sinister to hear him hiss in the actual film, either to Darth Sidious on the balcony or in combat against Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan. Sadly, they cut many of his best lines and probably two-thirds of all the words he spoke in the entire script.
Ah, Lieutenant Exposition. Or did he ever make Captain?
ETA: Just not to leave a snarky post...
Sony Classical announced they will be releasing Ultimate editions of all of the original soundtracks on digital, CD and vinyl in January. I'm gathering this just means that they're going to do the original soundtrack recordings and not the Ultimate Editions (a la The Phantom Menace). Really excited what this means though to have vinyl versions of Clones and Sith. I'm a little sad because I just spent a lot of time (and money) tracking down the other four original releases on vinyl. But when Star Wars and vinyl collide, I have to buy.
I still hope we'll get a Force Awakens vinyl though.
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There's also Capt. Phasma, but she appears to be more of a tertiary villain under Kylo Ren, and probably won't play much of a role in the overall plot.
But, that's just my point. If we list out the "villains" of ESB we have the following:
Admiral Ozzel
Admiral Piett
Boba Fett
Vader
The Emperor
They all have their role to play but they are still villains in terms of the story's purpose.
It might be being nitpicky, but I think that the First Order has the appropriate amount of bad guys.
I actually think the Knights of Ren are a more interesting organization in that it goes away from just having two, and seemingly more public about their role in the government. If they are trying to emulate Vader in some way, then they could become more dangerous in their pursuit of their goal.
Don't forget:
General Veers
Captain Needa
Bossk had a speaking part, too (one line).
Don't forget:
General Veers
Captain Needa
Bossk had a speaking part, too (one line).
I feel bad for missing Veers. He was kind of cool.
Also, Captain Needa, my persona favorite
Who said there's too many villains in TFA? And where is said that Maul killed Sifo-Dias?
Don't forget:
General Veers
Captain Needa
Bossk had a speaking part, too (one line).
I feel bad for missing Veers. He was kind of cool.
Also, Captain Needa, my persona favorite
I always forget about those guys.
You did, right here:
And I didn't say Maul killed Sifo-Dias. I was engaging in a mental exercise (apparently "fans" do that) as to the potential Maul had and different avenues of development he had than what transpired. Please read my post again to understand that it was a proposed alternate story line.s
Which is why I'm not worried about the different villains in TFA.
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Don't forget:
General Veers
Captain Needa
Bossk had a speaking part, too (one line).
And if we include bad guys who have been given names but don't have any on-screen dialogue that would also include:
Dengar
IG-88
4-LOM
Zuckuss
Lieutenant Sheckil (played by Jeremy Bulloch in his first Star Wars screen role outside the Boba Fett costume)
