And the moment where they look at one another, realize they've kissed - and not in a purely platonic and friendly fashion - and do the heebie-jeebies body shiver at almost precisely the same time.
Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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Oh, Robot Chicken. You make Star Wars even more entertaining.
Well I suppose if you're looking at it realistically, but given the fairly simplistic nature of the villains and storytelling in SW (even in the more complex ESB), I never had much trouble accepting that the death of the Emperor and Vader meant the death of the Empire as well.
And I also always kinda assumed it was the Emperor and his dark side power (along with the huge amount of fear that he instilled in everyone) that was holding a lot of the Empire together in the first place. With him gone, it just made sense to me that everything else would crumble away as well.
That being said though, I do really like the direction they're going in now with the post-ROTJ universe, and the idea that the Empire is still very much a threat.
I think it would be amazing if Leia showed some signs of the force.
Not pushing things but maybe persuading someone.
No, that wouldn't be more straightforward. Leia being shown images doesn't explain "feelings" that she said she had. "Feelings" is a code word for Force knowledge: "stretch out with your feelings," etc. That's the primary reason that it might even be original intent, even though when the OT was written the time of Padmé's death may not have been conceived as being the same as it ended up in the PT.
And I never thought that Leia's contact through the Force with Padmé was limited to her final moments giving birth. Someone else posited that. As Yoda indicated, the Force could show you experiences from any time. It would be very peculiar if those were limited to times from after Leia was born. Padmé was sad at other times too, no doubt, as you say.
That's been my interpretation since RotS came out.
They never really gave us a lot of information about how much Leia knew about her parentage in the OT, but it didn't seem like she knew much more than Luke.
But the Empire is gone as well replaced by the First Order and it makes sense for the new Republic to gone as well, in order for the heroes to be the underdogs.
If Leia experienced anything through the Force while Padme was alive it'd be highly unlikely she'd have any context to understand what she was really 'seeing' or feeling later.
"You have a power I don't understand--and could never have."
RotJ makes it pretty clear Leia hadn't experienced anything before - and ESB wasn't shot (if the assumption is Leia going back for Luke at Cloud City is due to some Force link) with them being brother/sister - the making of ESB book indicates that much, I believe.
See, the problem here is, you're giving this WAY more thought than even Lucas did back in the day.
Not really. "Feeling" as Counterpart uses it is generic spiritual/religious vernacular.
Go listen to the NP podcast review of TESB, released on Wednesday. They discuss Lucas's wavering back and forward on introducing the "other" as being Luke's sister(not Leia)who would be trained in 7-9. Once Lucas got to ROTJ, however, he was tired, couldn't face three more films at the time and then just collapsed everything and used the short hand of making Leia the "other".
As I said, you've given it more thought than Lucas did and are using mental gymnastics (nothing wrong with that as an intellectual exercise) to justify some poor planning and shoddy writing.
As I said, you've given it more thought than Lucas did and are using mental gymnastics (nothing wrong with that as an intellectual exercise) to justify some poor planning and shoddy writing.
It most definitely was not. It was a deliberate retcon on the part of Lucas.
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Back in the day, Lucas saw "Mother Skywalker" as dying when Leia was very young ( but still a couple years old ), as she indicates. The extra thought of the post facto rationalizations wasn't needed.
And I understand this is a thing uber fans do. It's just, accept that it's merely a mental exercise and not "the way it actually was". It especially gets tricky when people bring their own interpretations into play, such as "Feelings means using the Force".
It's a subjective interpretation and NOT "The Way It Is", in the lore of whatever is being discussed.
It's a subjective interpretation and NOT "The Way It Is", in the lore of whatever is being discussed.
"The way it actually was" was a PT retcon. Padmé was originally conceived of as having lived longer. That's already been acknowledged. It was obvious in ROTJ that the intent was that she'd lived after bearing the twins.
Making Leia "the Other" and Vader Luke and Leia's father was a good move. While I'm still happy with the Vader retcon, it allowed for a confrontation at the end of ROTJ. Dovetailing the writing made for a nice neat endiing to the storyline. It took me a while to accept the idea that the story ended with ROTJ, but it is a fantasy and that makes it easier to accept the ending.
It'd be hard to have less dialogue than Darth Maul did, at least in the final edit of the movie. Ric Olie the pilot had more lines than Maul did in Episode I, and Maul was a Sith Lord and the global marketing symbol advertising the first Prequel and on almost every piece of Star Wars merchandise released in 1999 and 2000.
Kylo Ren doesn't have to be the new Darth Vader in terms of screen time, but if they can give him at least as much action and dialogue as Count Dooku I'll be satisfied.
Kylo Ren doesn't have to be the new Darth Vader in terms of screen time, but if they can give him at least as much action and dialogue as Count Dooku I'll be satisfied.
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I just hope that Kylo Ren gets more than the five minutes of screen time Darth Maul got in The Phantom Menace.
I think that was a big part of the problem I had with TPM. They built up Maul through out the build up to the film, then he was hardly in it.
This.
Also for as much as I loved Christopher Lee, and I did and do, Maul should have been the primary antagonist through the first three films instead of switching him out with "Count Dooku." (Or at least "Count Dooku" should have been a non-Sith politician that Maul was supervising.)
