Well maybe because the last nineteen pages people have been debating crap like planetary systems, backup hyperdrives and all kinds of useless science.
Cool down bro
Cool down bro
Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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I'm perfectly cool, brah, and if people find it enjoyable to debate such things then that's their business. It's certainly more interesting and less tedious than having you repeat the same completely obvious analogy ad nauseam like something out of The Aviator. When more substantive news from the film pops up, people will return to discussing that.
The question based on exiled Nazi and such would be, just how big is the First Order and he Knights of Rin? Is this but a corner of the Galaxy and the rest is a mix of various Imperial breakaway states mixed with the New Republic and similar states with the Resistance being a piece of the local puzzle?
Its been 30 years. Are the rumors that the who thing went to pot at the Battle of Jakku a real things (as in the Rebel Alliance basically was wrecked and the fleet lost at Jakku, but the largest remains of the Imperial Navy were also smashed)?
Its been 30 years. Are the rumors that the who thing went to pot at the Battle of Jakku a real things (as in the Rebel Alliance basically was wrecked and the fleet lost at Jakku, but the largest remains of the Imperial Navy were also smashed)?
I wonder if that means that Kylo is a mere henchman and will killed off at the end of the movie like Darth Maul was. But the movie does appear to have atleast four villains in it.
It's one thing to debate the science/pseudoscience/whys and wherefores of things in a singular universe. (i.e. space travel in Star Wars, space travel in Star Trek, space travel in Babylon 5, space travel in Battlestar Galactica) because eventually, there is a possibility a consensus can be reached regarding it.
It's another thing to debate between universes: Which would kick the other's ass? Imperial Star Destroyer vs The Enterprise. White Star vs Galactica? Which is faster? Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive vs Enterprise's warp drive? Galactica's FTL vs the Jump gates in B5? That is something where no consensus could truly be reached. Sure, some folks have made fanfilms about it....some even based on online polls (Batman vs Darth Vader, anyone?) But no matter the outcome, even if it seemed empiracally conclusive, the debate would still rage because some fans would come across as sore losers, and others would be asshole winners, as if they just had some great scientific theory proven before a roomful of doubters. Those are the debates that I find pointless, but they are nonetheless fun for the fans of those respective properties.
FSM, I gotta agree with Locutus. When the news is slow, folk are going to want to talk about things that might be related to Star Wars (or given property) to while away the time until the next tidbit of news comes about to chew on. Discussions/debates on Star Wars tech are just as good a thing to discuss as anything, especially if it pertains to Star Wars.
It's another thing to debate between universes: Which would kick the other's ass? Imperial Star Destroyer vs The Enterprise. White Star vs Galactica? Which is faster? Millennium Falcon's hyperdrive vs Enterprise's warp drive? Galactica's FTL vs the Jump gates in B5? That is something where no consensus could truly be reached. Sure, some folks have made fanfilms about it....some even based on online polls (Batman vs Darth Vader, anyone?) But no matter the outcome, even if it seemed empiracally conclusive, the debate would still rage because some fans would come across as sore losers, and others would be asshole winners, as if they just had some great scientific theory proven before a roomful of doubters. Those are the debates that I find pointless, but they are nonetheless fun for the fans of those respective properties.
FSM, I gotta agree with Locutus. When the news is slow, folk are going to want to talk about things that might be related to Star Wars (or given property) to while away the time until the next tidbit of news comes about to chew on. Discussions/debates on Star Wars tech are just as good a thing to discuss as anything, especially if it pertains to Star Wars.
When doing crossovers I try to make things at least somewhat even with their own flavors. About the only place on the Internet that raises my anger is StarDestroyer.net due to the method of presentation of the tech/science that borders on arrogance and an air of superiority that rubs me the wrong way as someone who tend ti appreciate a wide range of science fiction series.
Ancient Chinese Secret!
Seriously though, lots of sci-fi properties probably tend to reconsider the hows and whys of events when they release sourcebooks (if their universe is rich enough to do so). At the time of the release of TESB, it probably wasn't even a consideration that the Falcon had a backup hyperdrive (much the same as Star Wars wasn't called Episode IV: A New Hope until a few years later)....but sourcebooks released later (and officially sanctioned by LFL) allowed for a backup hyperdrive to be the case.
In universe, I would postulate that it was a tactical decision on Han's part.
Consider, if you will:
If Han were to try and engage the backup hyperdrive, a class 10-slow-as-space-slugs- hyperdrive while under the guns of an Imperial Star Destroyer which, if I'm not mistaken, carries a class 1 hyperdrive (class 2 at worst), they'd be overtaken, likely forced out of hyperspace, and captured in moments.
Han had to make sure that he broke line of sight (and sensor contacts) with the Avenger (and other pursuing star destroyers), and then, once the Imperial Fleet broke away, he could safely engage his backup....unbeknownst to him, he was being trailed by Boba Fett.
Under relatively benign circumstances, (i.e. not being pursued by the Empire, or space pirates, or criminal organizations, etc) a ship could engage its backup hyperdrive to limp to the nearest spaceport/repair facility if their main hyperdrive were malfunctioning. Clearly, the circumstances in which the crew of the Falcon found themselves were anything but benign.
Which is pretty much meaningless, Han was clearly trying to impress Leia with his abilities. When the Avenger was bearing down on them Han ries to impress Leia by trying to go to lightspeed and failed.
I have found it odd that in the years between the two movies Han never paid off Jabba. While Leia shows an open distain for Han in the first movie, she seems to be clearly attracted to him in the second, although she does try to hide it. Han thoughout the movie seems to be looking for some reason to stay. But I don't see a reason why Han would put Leia, his or Chewie's life in danger if he help it.
Indeed....which made for a funny, if perilous moment.
Ancient Chinese Secret!
Seriously though, lots of sci-fi properties probably tend to reconsider the hows and whys of events when they release sourcebooks (if their universe is rich enough to do so). At the time of the release of TESB, it probably wasn't even a consideration that the Falcon had a backup hyperdrive (much the same as Star Wars wasn't called Episode IV: A New Hope until a few years later)....but sourcebooks released later (and officially sanctioned by LFL) allowed for a backup hyperdrive to be the case.
In universe, I would postulate that it was a tactical decision on Han's part.
Consider, if you will:
If Han were to try and engage the backup hyperdrive, a class 10-slow-as-space-slugs- hyperdrive while under the guns of an Imperial Star Destroyer which, if I'm not mistaken, carries a class 1 hyperdrive (class 2 at worst), they'd be overtaken, likely forced out of hyperspace, and captured in moments.
Han had to make sure that he broke line of sight (and sensor contacts) with the Avenger (and other pursuing star destroyers), and then, once the Imperial Fleet broke away, he could safely engage his backup....unbeknownst to him, he was being trailed by Boba Fett.
Under relatively benign circumstances, (i.e. not being pursued by the Empire, or space pirates, or criminal organizations, etc) a ship could engage its backup hyperdrive to limp to the nearest spaceport/repair facility if their main hyperdrive were malfunctioning. Clearly, the circumstances in which the crew of the Falcon found themselves were anything but benign.
Which is pretty much meaningless, Han was clearly trying to impress Leia with his abilities. When the Avenger was bearing down on them Han ries to impress Leia by trying to go to lightspeed and failed.
I understand your point that, if they did have a backup hyperdrive, why didn't we see Han use it? Like I said, at the time the movie was released, it obviously wasn't thought of.
I simply accept the backup hyperdrive based on authorized Lucasfilm information. Doesn't mean it was there all along. Like I said, it just kinda makes sense.
Some folks only accept what is on screen. That's fine, well, and good. Your actual parsecs may vary. 
Yeppers.
The jump to lightspeed moment in the original film, with the star streaks and spinning star background, was a big audience cheer moment. People who didn't see it in the theater at the time might not be aware of that. That was milked for laughs in the TESB with its own corresponding, big jumping-to-lightspeed moment with the spinning star background when the Falcon finally escapes from Bespin. The effectiveness of that aspect of TESB, the jokes in the interim about the hyperdrive not working and the final escape at the climax, depended upon there being no hyperdrive/lightspeed of any kind. If there had been a working backup hyperdrive, the star-streak moment would have happened much earlier. Heck, even that could have been milked for its own laughs: big moment with star-streaks and the spinning star background, then the ship immediately drops out again, and Leia quips, "That's it?!?" Cue jokes about Han not being able to go very long.
So, ergo, the Falcon had no backup drive according to the writers at the time. Its inclusion now would be a retcon.
To be fair, that is the entire history of Star Wars as a story and a franchise. Despite Lucas' assertion to the contrary, there are definite changes from film to film and between the trilogies.
For what it is worth, I always took it as Han manged to piece it together enough to make it to a system that was close and that he knew the location. As Han states, traveling through hyperspace requires precise charts and not errant jumps. Bespin was both known and close enough that I think Han made a brief, if a little dicey, jump to get there, and could do it with Imperials tailing him (theoretically).
Escape pods = Segways
Tie Fighters = Ford Pinto
Tie Fighters = Ford Pinto
I really don't believe that was the intent.
Intent? No, I don't think that was the intent. I just was offering my interpretation based upon my first impressions of the film when I was younger.
Empire was never really my favorite film, so I didn't really worry about it at the time.
Now, I wish I still had my novelization so I could go back over it.
Duuuude... spoilers about your guess! I was holding out until release for your guesses
Lets say that light speed in the Galaxy Far Far Away is measured along the lines of the Richter Scale, as a base ten logarithmic progression. ".5 past light speed" would therefore be 5 times the speed of light and put the Falcon's non-hyperdrive engines likely capable of carrying them from the Anoat system to Bespin within a few weeks or (more likely) a few months as long as they were fairly close stellar neighbors. No need for a backup hyperdrive, and no need for overly complicated star or planetary systems to explain their proximity.
