Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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And the only reason they get there without the trip taking many years of time is because they have a technology that enables them to exceed the speed of light. YEAH SCIENCE
For something like that it would be logical to have a backup of some kind. Especially on a ship that tries to avoid the authorities regularly. Either a weaker hyperdrive, or some other method of FTL travel (like say a warp drive). The other methods would be easy to track, so you wouldn't want to do them right in front of an Imperial starship.
Remember that hyperdrive technology in this galaxy is ancient tech. They've had it in one form or another for at least a thousand generations. The Millennium Falcon fight have one of the fastest systems in the galaxy (thanks to her rude navigation computers) but the tech for a hyperdrive is old. She could have a tiny drive someplace in the ship for emergency use. It would be slow, and its range limited either by the ship's fuel, or perhaps by the food stocks on board. Just how long can the Falcon go out before it runs out of something vital for the crew's survival? Bespin was "pretty far" away. Does that mean the drive couldn't make a longer jump, or was it that they'd run out of food, fuel, air, if they went much longer?
Remember that hyperdrive technology in this galaxy is ancient tech. They've had it in one form or another for at least a thousand generations. The Millennium Falcon fight have one of the fastest systems in the galaxy (thanks to her rude navigation computers) but the tech for a hyperdrive is old. She could have a tiny drive someplace in the ship for emergency use. It would be slow, and its range limited either by the ship's fuel, or perhaps by the food stocks on board. Just how long can the Falcon go out before it runs out of something vital for the crew's survival? Bespin was "pretty far" away. Does that mean the drive couldn't make a longer jump, or was it that they'd run out of food, fuel, air, if they went much longer?
If a ship as small as the Falcon had a second hyperdrive you'd think they would've used it at the end of the movie. There's no evidence of a second hyperdrive, but then aparently they were already out of the Hoth system somehow even after Leia asked 'no hypderdrive?'. TEBS like Raiders kind of suffers if you exam it too much, but then that might explain why didn't appeal to the general audience as much as it does to the fans.
As I posted earlier, NOOOOOO.
That idea is so bad (and convenient) that it deserves the horrible reaction from Vader in Revenge of the Sith:
"NUUHHHOOOOOOWWWOOOWWWWWW!!"
Just go with the idea that it didn't leave the city. A fairly plausible scenario that leads to the current situation of it showing in the new movie. Especially considering there is not onscreen evidence that it had definitely fallen to it's doom into the heart of Bespin.
Maybe if he boycotts the movie, Disney will force Abrams to change it.
Then why is the trap door in the middle of the continuing tube? I agree that the trap-door is likely for ejecting debris, but I don't agree that it's necessarily the primary goal of the main tube. If it was, it'd be the most pointlessly complicated system yet seen in Star Wars. And this is a universe where they put tractor controls on the "other" side of terminals with no handrail hundreds of feet up.
Then why is the trap door in the middle of the continuing tube? I agree that the trap-door is likely for ejecting debris, but I don't agree that it's necessarily the primary goal of the main tube. If it was, it'd be the most pointlessly complicated system yet seen in Star Wars. And this is a universe where they put tractor controls on the "other" side of terminals with no handrail hundreds of feet up.
Really? The Bespin one is the most complicated and pointless?
I personally would argue the Theed Generator room makes even less sense, especially with laser doors that Maul uses? Seriously, what is that for?
For what it's worth, the script for Empire makes no mention of Luke's hand falling past him in that scene. It does however mention a piece of the weathervane he's clinging too breaking off and falling down into the clouds below.
That said, the rest of the scene doesn't play out quite as it's shown in the final film either. For one thing, Luke doesn't fall all the way down, but is blow back up that central shaft by a strong gust of wind (think those tubes where people practice skydiving indoors) before being sucked into an exhaust vent above where he and Vader were. So really, it could still go either way.
Personally, I'd always assumed that it was his comlink, hence having to call out to Leia through the force instead of signalling R2 and have him fly the X-Wing over to him, which seems like a sensible thing to at least try first.
That said, the rest of the scene doesn't play out quite as it's shown in the final film either. For one thing, Luke doesn't fall all the way down, but is blow back up that central shaft by a strong gust of wind (think those tubes where people practice skydiving indoors) before being sucked into an exhaust vent above where he and Vader were. So really, it could still go either way.
Personally, I'd always assumed that it was his comlink, hence having to call out to Leia through the force instead of signalling R2 and have him fly the X-Wing over to him, which seems like a sensible thing to at least try first.
Yeah, and the original storyboard says something falls before Luke does but doesn't say what it is.
See, you are thinking about it scientifically even as you make a joke. We all know it would take years for a ship to go from system to system. But Star Wars is a fantasy story, not a sci fi story. The ships can go between stars. Simple as that. They might not be able to go across the galaxy or go "this deep into space on their own.." but rest assured they can go between planets and that might be something different than hyperdrive
The whole point of teh hyperdrive malfunction was to put Han and Leia together romantically, once that was done of course they could go to Bespin. But it's stil a plot hole one of many in TESB.
Before, I had always read that most starships with hyperdrives had very slow backup hyperdrives.
Example: The Millennium Falcon has a class 0.5 hyperdrive. Her original backup was a class 12 hyperdrive, which is very, very slow. It was later upgraded to class 10....still very, very slow, but slightly faster than the class 12. She was basically able to limp her way to Bespin with that. She couldn't outrun ships in far better states of repair, but as long as Han was sneaky, he could make his way to Bespin.
I think the Death Star's main hyperdrive was class 4, with a class 20 backup.
The slang in Star Wars regarding FTL travel is rather loose. Light speed is just shorthand for FTL travel, rather than suggesting that the ships are actually traveling "at the speed of light." This is delineated by the class of hyperdrives that individual ships use. A ship with a class 3 hyperdrive will take 3 times longer to get to an intended destination than a ship with a class 1 hyperdrive. (So just imagine a ship that's limping by on a class 10, 12, or 20 hyperdrive.) Basically, the lower the number on a class hyperdrive, the faster through hyperspace it can travel.
Given that the Falcon had a class 0.5 hyperdrive, and the time it took for the command staff of the Executor to get its update, and come to terms with the situation after Han pulled his evasive stunt against the Avenger (and subsequently slipped away....with Fett on their tails), I don't think it was hyperbole when Adm. Piett suggested to Lord Vader: "If the Millennium Falcon went into lightspeed, she'd be on the other side of the galaxy by now." (Of course, he doesn't realize that the Falcon's main hyperdrive was down....so good were Solo's evasion tactics.)
Example: The Millennium Falcon has a class 0.5 hyperdrive. Her original backup was a class 12 hyperdrive, which is very, very slow. It was later upgraded to class 10....still very, very slow, but slightly faster than the class 12. She was basically able to limp her way to Bespin with that. She couldn't outrun ships in far better states of repair, but as long as Han was sneaky, he could make his way to Bespin.
I think the Death Star's main hyperdrive was class 4, with a class 20 backup.
The slang in Star Wars regarding FTL travel is rather loose. Light speed is just shorthand for FTL travel, rather than suggesting that the ships are actually traveling "at the speed of light." This is delineated by the class of hyperdrives that individual ships use. A ship with a class 3 hyperdrive will take 3 times longer to get to an intended destination than a ship with a class 1 hyperdrive. (So just imagine a ship that's limping by on a class 10, 12, or 20 hyperdrive.) Basically, the lower the number on a class hyperdrive, the faster through hyperspace it can travel.
Given that the Falcon had a class 0.5 hyperdrive, and the time it took for the command staff of the Executor to get its update, and come to terms with the situation after Han pulled his evasive stunt against the Avenger (and subsequently slipped away....with Fett on their tails), I don't think it was hyperbole when Adm. Piett suggested to Lord Vader: "If the Millennium Falcon went into lightspeed, she'd be on the other side of the galaxy by now." (Of course, he doesn't realize that the Falcon's main hyperdrive was down....so good were Solo's evasion tactics.)
Well, what is hyperspace, exactly?
Is it another dimension that ships travel through but come back from and it takes less time or is it just a word for a ship going really, really fast?
I always assumed it was more of the former, otherwise why would it mean you "escaped"? Couldn't another ship just use it's ludicrous speed drive to follow you really, ludicrously fast?
Is it another dimension that ships travel through but come back from and it takes less time or is it just a word for a ship going really, really fast?
I always assumed it was more of the former, otherwise why would it mean you "escaped"? Couldn't another ship just use it's ludicrous speed drive to follow you really, ludicrously fast?
It is suppose to be another dimension of sorts. The speed of a hyperdrive has two components. The thrust speed the drive can put out, and the calculating ability of its navigational computer to chart a course thought hyperspace to avoid hitting mass shadows of real space objects ('flying through hyperspace isn't like dusting crops').
The Millenium Falcon has a very fast hyperdrive engine, but also has three different interconnected navigation computers that, while touchy and rude, are very good at skirting as close to a mass shadow as possible without hitting it, thus cutting the distance traveled even in hyperspace.
This was how the authors got around the notion of Solo making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs. It is a route that is usually longer than that, but cutting it close to a huge mass of mass shadows (cluster of black holes) cuts the travel time, making the Falcon the fastest ship to make that Run.
This was also the basis for an Imperial Interdictor Cruiser that has experimental mass shadow gravity well generators that would prevent ships from entering hyperspace, and pull ships passing though out of hyperspace, as their warning sensors would automatically drop them out before running into the mass shadow. I was never able to figure out if this was just a fake shadow used to fool the sensor systems, or a real one, that if you did try to use your hyperdrives you'd run into it and die.
It is possible to track a ship in hyperspace. Vader uses one method to track the Millennium Falcon to Yavin. Captain Needa was going to track the Falcon when it tried to make a run at the ISD Avenger. Vader suggested calculating all known destinations on its last known projector afterwards. Vader was able to track the Tantive IV to Tatooine from where ever Leia got the plans for the Death Star.
The Millenium Falcon has a very fast hyperdrive engine, but also has three different interconnected navigation computers that, while touchy and rude, are very good at skirting as close to a mass shadow as possible without hitting it, thus cutting the distance traveled even in hyperspace.
This was how the authors got around the notion of Solo making the Kessel Run in 12 parsecs. It is a route that is usually longer than that, but cutting it close to a huge mass of mass shadows (cluster of black holes) cuts the travel time, making the Falcon the fastest ship to make that Run.
This was also the basis for an Imperial Interdictor Cruiser that has experimental mass shadow gravity well generators that would prevent ships from entering hyperspace, and pull ships passing though out of hyperspace, as their warning sensors would automatically drop them out before running into the mass shadow. I was never able to figure out if this was just a fake shadow used to fool the sensor systems, or a real one, that if you did try to use your hyperdrives you'd run into it and die.
It is possible to track a ship in hyperspace. Vader uses one method to track the Millennium Falcon to Yavin. Captain Needa was going to track the Falcon when it tried to make a run at the ISD Avenger. Vader suggested calculating all known destinations on its last known projector afterwards. Vader was able to track the Tantive IV to Tatooine from where ever Leia got the plans for the Death Star.
Like a spare tire.
