Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[CorporalClegg]

Cliches aside, quality and quantity are mutually exclusive. Franchise fatigue is generally a product of the former that it actually is the latter.

As long as Disney can maintain quality control over all the media, people will continue to show up no matter how much it there is.

It will also help if they keep things fresh. The problem with Star Trek was't that there was a lot of it, it was there was a lot of it and it was all the same. You have three shows that were same song, same dance, and one show was same song, different but more-or-less the same dance.

TCW was a departure (and not just in medium) from the films, and Rebels has been a departure from it. And everything we know so far about the anthologies suggests they'll be considerably different in tone and scope from the main saga.

 

[Ithekro]

So far it looks like one film every year for six or seven years plus a TV show of some kind on air each year. I do not know of any other plans for more than one TV show a year.

 

[DWF]

Quality is entirely sugjective, markets though are driven by demand. If there's a massive supply then there's little demand for more.

 

[DWF]

So far it looks like one film every year for six or seven years plus a TV show of some kind on air each year. I do not know of any other plans for more than one TV show a year.

There's been renewed talk of two live action TV shows.

 

[Mage]

I can understand that some fans might think it's a bit to much, 6 films and 3 (unconfirmed) shows.
But, you don't have to watch those, you know? There's only franchise fatigue if you actually go and watch all of it. If there's stuff you don't care about, don't watch it, you won't be fatigued. Those who will watch it because they love it and think it's great, won't feel any fatigue either.

Same thing goes for Star Trek. Fans that didn't feel they needed a new show after TNG for example, could have simply ignored it. Instead, they watched and moaned and complained about EVERY EPISODE, and complained about fatigue.

If the entire concept of Star Wars on tv doesn't sit well with you, ignore it, and you're fine. If even the in-between-movies are not your cup of tea, just leave it be. Only focus on what you want to watch.

 

[cooleddie74]

Same thing goes for Star Trek. Fans that didn't feel they needed a new show after TNG for example, could have simply ignored it. Instead, they watched and moaned and complained about EVERY EPISODE, and complained about fatigue.

Although without that watching, moaning and complaining the Trek BBS might not even exist or have survived much past the year 2000.

 

[Mage]

Same thing goes for Star Trek. Fans that didn't feel they needed a new show after TNG for example, could have simply ignored it. Instead, they watched and moaned and complained about EVERY EPISODE, and complained about fatigue.

Although without that watching, moaning and complaining the Trek BBS might not even exist or have survived much past the year 2000.

Hm.... good point.

 

[Ithekro]

Still waiting to see when they start putting out stuff for Rogue One now that Rogue Nation is in theaters.

 

[Marsden]

I think franchise fatigue is kind of a mythic thing like the boogie man. It's blamed for the ending of something but what really ends said "franchise" is shitty output under it's name by creators either bankrupt of ideas under pressure to continue said franchise or just assuming the audience will tolerate what ever crap they slap the name on.

IOW, a person says, I went to see one of those and I liked it, there's another one, I think I'll see the new one.

Or, a person says, I went to see one of those and it was stupid, I'm not seeing that next one coming out.




I don't see Star Wars getting that because of all of the stuff that popped up over only 3 movies. There are tons and tons of stuff based on those 3 movies and there will continue to be. Will every movie make the 2.2 Biiiiiiiiillion Dollars that this new movie is projected to make? We will have to see. BTW, I don't have a proper source to link but I saw that on the Jane King business report on the news on Monday morning in respect to Disney's financial outlook.

 

[mos6507]

I don't see Star Wars getting that because of all of the stuff that popped up over only 3 movies.

The prequels did a lot to tarnish the SW brand.

At one time SW was elevated to the level of modern myth by Bill Moyers but by the time the prequels were done (and to some extent, the remastered OT), a lot of people were throwing darts at George Lucas and thinking their love for SW might have just been a juvenile fever-dream.

No matter what, the franchise has a lot of bankable value, but it's debased compared to what it could have been had the prequels actually been good and Lucas had shied away from screwing around with what wasn't broken with the remasters.

 

[Ithekro]

In some ways The Clone Wars brought back some of that old love that was missing in the prequels by making the characters in the prequel better acted characters.

 

[cooleddie74]

StarWars.com is reporting that the first six movies in the Saga are being reissued (yet again), this time in Blu-ray steelbooks featuring images of important characters on the covers.

The covers:

Episode I - Darth Maul
Episode II - Yoda
Episode III - General Grievous
Episode IV - Darth Vader
Episode V - Stormtrooper
Episode VI - Emperor Palpatine

Only one hero and five villains, but the covers look amazing. It's a shame the contents are likely just more of the same to cash in on the premiere of the new movie, but the steelbook packaging does look very cool.

 

[fireproof78]

I can understand that some fans might think it's a bit to much, 6 films and 3 (unconfirmed) shows.
But, you don't have to watch those, you know? There's only franchise fatigue if you actually go and watch all of it. If there's stuff you don't care about, don't watch it, you won't be fatigued. Those who will watch it because they love it and think it's great, won't feel any fatigue either.

Same thing goes for Star Trek. Fans that didn't feel they needed a new show after TNG for example, could have simply ignored it. Instead, they watched and moaned and complained about EVERY EPISODE, and complained about fatigue.

If the entire concept of Star Wars on tv doesn't sit well with you, ignore it, and you're fine. If even the in-between-movies are not your cup of tea, just leave it be. Only focus on what you want to watch.

That is all well and good, but my frustration is that parts of the franchise that I am not interested in our everywhere. I am still trying to get in to Clone Wars, but have little desire to discuss it.

Franchise fatigue, for me, is when there is all these different parts of a franchise and I don't feel engaged by it at all or pure speculation about future productions (yes, yes, I know, the Internet). For instance, when the Ep. 7 teaser (not trailer) came out, a film magazine devoted a front page story on a frame by frame analysis, based upon speculative information. Maybe I was too young to recall such attention to the PT but that felt like overreach to me.

I think franchise fatigue is a normal part of a process, as a reflection of the law of diminishing returns. I've ignored plenty of SW material over the years by virtue of no interest (looking at you Yuzon Vong) but that also has the effect of me feeling left out of the community as well.

 

[Mach5]

StarWars.com is reporting that the first six movies in the Saga are being reissued (yet again), this time in Blu-ray steelbooks featuring images of important characters on the covers.

The covers:

Episode I - Darth Maul
Episode II - Yoda
Episode III - General Grievous
Episode IV - Darth Vader
Episode V - Stormtrooper
Episode VI - Emperor Palpatine

Only one hero and five villains, but the covers look amazing. It's a shame the contents are likely just more of the same to cash in on the premiere of the new movie, but the steelbook packaging does look very cool.

How is that a "complete saga", if it features only six out of nine movies?

These are going to be special editions again, aren't they?

 

[Mage]

I can understand that some fans might think it's a bit to much, 6 films and 3 (unconfirmed) shows.
But, you don't have to watch those, you know? There's only franchise fatigue if you actually go and watch all of it. If there's stuff you don't care about, don't watch it, you won't be fatigued. Those who will watch it because they love it and think it's great, won't feel any fatigue either.

Same thing goes for Star Trek. Fans that didn't feel they needed a new show after TNG for example, could have simply ignored it. Instead, they watched and moaned and complained about EVERY EPISODE, and complained about fatigue.

If the entire concept of Star Wars on tv doesn't sit well with you, ignore it, and you're fine. If even the in-between-movies are not your cup of tea, just leave it be. Only focus on what you want to watch.

That is all well and good, but my frustration is that parts of the franchise that I am not interested in our everywhere. I am still trying to get in to Clone Wars, but have little desire to discuss it.

Franchise fatigue, for me, is when there is all these different parts of a franchise and I don't feel engaged by it at all or pure speculation about future productions (yes, yes, I know, the Internet). For instance, when the Ep. 7 teaser (not trailer) came out, a film magazine devoted a front page story on a frame by frame analysis, based upon speculative information. Maybe I was too young to recall such attention to the PT but that felt like overreach to me.

I think franchise fatigue is a normal part of a process, as a reflection of the law of diminishing returns. I've ignored plenty of SW material over the years by virtue of no interest (looking at you Yuzon Vong) but that also has the effect of me feeling left out of the community as well.

I'm not sure I'd call that fatigue, since it's still enormously interesting for a large group. I'd say that your interests have changed, or never lay in the direction of things like The Clone Wars or Rebels. Same goes for me. I loved the movies, still do. I read a few Star Wars novels, a few comics. But that's it, the rest doesn't interest me. Mainly, because it's way to much to keep up with, and I don't feel like it. The whole EU of Star Wars isn't my cup of tea. Well, the two KOTOR games, those rocked.
But that's not franchise fatigue, that's simply because it's not my thing.

People keep blaming franchises for not being interesting enough for them. I say, if a franchise has millions of fans, it's not the frachise's fault. And really, not yours either. It's like a relationship you've been in for 18 months, and you both realise you just don't work well together.

Franchise fatigue is a term made up by disgruntled fans who didn't get what they wanted. They were looking for something but couldn't find it. And these days, we always need to blame something, so why not the franchise?

To bring Star Trek into this again.... There are so many fans here who stopped watching DS9 and VOY and ENT, because it was to much for them. To much Star Trek. They also called it franchise fatigue. Thing is, there's an equal amount of fans who got interested in Trek because of DS9, or VOY, or ENT. These fans started watching the others shows, and really got into it.
So, the show labeled by some as franchise fatigue, got others into the franchise..... Who's right here?

 

[Campe]

^ Sadly, yes. Thankfully I've got my three (non-anamporphic) non-Special Edition DVDs from a few years back to tide me over.

I really don't NEED to buy these movies again... until we get some OT non-special edition Blu-Ray or HD releases!!!

 

[Corran Horn]

StarWars.com is reporting that the first six movies in the Saga are being reissued (yet again), this time in Blu-ray steelbooks featuring images of important characters on the covers.

The covers:

Episode I - Darth Maul
Episode II - Yoda
Episode III - General Grievous
Episode IV - Darth Vader
Episode V - Stormtrooper
Episode VI - Emperor Palpatine

Only one hero and five villains, but the covers look amazing. It's a shame the contents are likely just more of the same to cash in on the premiere of the new movie, but the steelbook packaging does look very cool.

I thought I'd seen something referencing 40 hrs of previously unreleased content---which piqued my interested since I doubt there's 40 hours of SW making-of content I haven't seen.

As for franchise fatigue---Star Wars can be as limited as you want it to be in your own experience. Don't watch the prequels/CW/Rebels/postquels...

 

[Campe]

I thought I'd seen something referencing 40 hrs of previously unreleased content---which piqued my interested since I doubt there's 40 hours of SW making-of content I haven't seen.

I thought the same thing then I read it again. It actually read previously released content. If you consider the blu-ray releases which had the deleted scenes, little making-of vignettes, the documentary disc, the parodies, and all of the commentaries (yes, those count as bonus content), that should go to about 40 hours.

 

[mos6507]

How is that a "complete saga", if it features only six out of nine movies?

There is no such thing as a "complete saga" in a franchise that the studios see as an evergreen cash-machine.

 

[fireproof78]

I can understand that some fans might think it's a bit to much, 6 films and 3 (unconfirmed) shows.
But, you don't have to watch those, you know? There's only franchise fatigue if you actually go and watch all of it. If there's stuff you don't care about, don't watch it, you won't be fatigued. Those who will watch it because they love it and think it's great, won't feel any fatigue either.

Same thing goes for Star Trek. Fans that didn't feel they needed a new show after TNG for example, could have simply ignored it. Instead, they watched and moaned and complained about EVERY EPISODE, and complained about fatigue.

If the entire concept of Star Wars on tv doesn't sit well with you, ignore it, and you're fine. If even the in-between-movies are not your cup of tea, just leave it be. Only focus on what you want to watch.

That is all well and good, but my frustration is that parts of the franchise that I am not interested in our everywhere. I am still trying to get in to Clone Wars, but have little desire to discuss it.

Franchise fatigue, for me, is when there is all these different parts of a franchise and I don't feel engaged by it at all or pure speculation about future productions (yes, yes, I know, the Internet). For instance, when the Ep. 7 teaser (not trailer) came out, a film magazine devoted a front page story on a frame by frame analysis, based upon speculative information. Maybe I was too young to recall such attention to the PT but that felt like overreach to me.

I think franchise fatigue is a normal part of a process, as a reflection of the law of diminishing returns. I've ignored plenty of SW material over the years by virtue of no interest (looking at you Yuzon Vong) but that also has the effect of me feeling left out of the community as well.

I'm not sure I'd call that fatigue, since it's still enormously interesting for a large group. I'd say that your interests have changed, or never lay in the direction of things like The Clone Wars or Rebels. Same goes for me. I loved the movies, still do. I read a few Star Wars novels, a few comics. But that's it, the rest doesn't interest me. Mainly, because it's way to much to keep up with, and I don't feel like it. The whole EU of Star Wars isn't my cup of tea. Well, the two KOTOR games, those rocked.
But that's not franchise fatigue, that's simply because it's not my thing.

People keep blaming franchises for not being interesting enough for them. I say, if a franchise has millions of fans, it's not the frachise's fault. And really, not yours either. It's like a relationship you've been in for 18 months, and you both realise you just don't work well together.

Franchise fatigue is a term made up by disgruntled fans who didn't get what they wanted. They were looking for something but couldn't find it. And these days, we always need to blame something, so why not the franchise?

To bring Star Trek into this again.... There are so many fans here who stopped watching DS9 and VOY and ENT, because it was to much for them. To much Star Trek. They also called it franchise fatigue. Thing is, there's an equal amount of fans who got interested in Trek because of DS9, or VOY, or ENT. These fans started watching the others shows, and really got into it.
So, the show labeled by some as franchise fatigue, got others into the franchise..... Who's right here?

Both are right because entertainment is subjective.

I agree in part that it is largely a blame game, and that the fatigue rests largely with individual variation in taste. More to my point is that there is such a thing as putting too much out there in to the market and get diminishing returns as the market share increases.

I think if enough fans get fatigued by their own tastes not aligning with the current goals of the franchise than a something like franchise fatigue can happen. I don't think it means quite what everyone describes it as but there is still the general effect.

As for Star Wars I think that the franchise will do well because it markets itself to various groups. Clone Wars and Rebels for a little younger crowd, and the films to bring in a larger audience.

I just see the potential for fatigue, is all. What form it takes, will vary.