In the SW Radio play from 1980, (which used to be considered official canon) Luke and Ben I believe speak about a time before when Ben saved Luke and Biggs from a dangerous encounter in the Jundland wastes.
Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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The "boy am I glad to see you" scene in ANH gives me the impression that Luke did meet him before.
My personal theory is that if they choose not the kill off Ahsoka prior to ANH, then probably the safest thing to do narratively is put her in limbo somewhere where she can't effect the plot. Say, she left for the unknown regions on some quest, got frozen in carbonite or was stranded on some backwater planet with no ship and no comms. That way at least in theory she could be re-introduced at some point post RotJ.
Mind you, the same problems apply to Kanan & Ezra. That whole "last of the Jedi will you be" thing rings a little hollow if those two are still running around and it's not as if we can pretend Yoda wasn't aware of them.
Mind you, the same problems apply to Kanan & Ezra. That whole "last of the Jedi will you be" thing rings a little hollow if those two are still running around and it's not as if we can pretend Yoda wasn't aware of them.
It's possible I'm misremembering. Been a few months since I last saw A New Hope.
Mind you, the same problems apply to Kanan & Ezra. That whole "last of the Jedi will you be" thing rings a little hollow if those two are still running around and it's not as if we can pretend Yoda wasn't aware of them.
Assuming they count as Jedi.
Apparently the explanation for Ahsoka's white light sabers is she doesn't actually count as a Jedi.
So Rebels seems to be going with non-red lightsaber and force powers doesn't necessarily = Jedi.
Mind you, the same problems apply to Kanan & Ezra. That whole "last of the Jedi will you be" thing rings a little hollow if those two are still running around and it's not as if we can pretend Yoda wasn't aware of them.
I look at it more like a little bit of motivation and manipulation on Yoda's part, as he and Obi-Wan had done before. Luke was hesitant to kill his own father, so Yoda doesn't want to give Luke other options or reasons to delay by saying "When gone am I, look up some of my old padawans and see if they can kill your dad for you instead." Yoda knew Luke was the best chance they had to throw Vader off kilter and to fulfill the prophecy, so he had to give him the old "You're all we've got" speech.
I'm half convinced Starfleet was always messing with Kirk when they said "You're the only ship in range" too. They wanted him to go, so they manufactured an excuse where he was the only one who could go. Or Kirk just lied about it and said they were the only ship in range so he could go off on another mission in command of the Enterprise.
Of course, he would be glad to see anyone who wasn't trying to knock his brains out with a gaffi stick.
I'm sure Luke was well aware of Ben, as any small town youth would be intrigued by anyone known locally as a crazy old hermit. He may have even met or spoken with Ben before, but it was probably minimal, on account Ben's wariness as well as Uncle Owen's.
In an earlier draft, Ben wasn't as much a hermit living off on his own as a shabby local bum, whose wizardly force powers were unsuspected by everyone.
I don't really have much of an issue with Ahsoka surviving into the OT era and even beyond (though I'm getting the feeling she won't if she and Darth Vader have one or more on-screen confrontations and the Sith Lord follows through on his job to eliminate as many Jedi Knights as he can find). In the old Expanded Universe there was at least one former Jedi from the era of the Old Republic and the Clone Wars who lived long enough to encounter Rebel leaders in the years after the Battle of Endor, so that's not really a big sticking point for me.
There were 10,000 Jedi in the galaxy when Order 66 was issued, and as ruthlessly efficient and brutal as Vader and the Empire were they obviously didn't eliminate all 10,000 since both Obi-Wan and Yoda survived into the Original Trilogy era. A few other survivors could have blended quiety into the background and kept low profiles that made them appear to be completely ordinary citizens with no connections to the controversial past.
There were 10,000 Jedi in the galaxy when Order 66 was issued, and as ruthlessly efficient and brutal as Vader and the Empire were they obviously didn't eliminate all 10,000 since both Obi-Wan and Yoda survived into the Original Trilogy era. A few other survivors could have blended quiety into the background and kept low profiles that made them appear to be completely ordinary citizens with no connections to the controversial past.
Does Ashoka even count as a Jedi? She left the Jedi Order so technically she isn't a Jedi.
That could be big loophole that allows her character to survive a few more decades. On the other hand, Vader may not care that she officially left the Jedi Order and "you were a Jedi at one point, however" might be enough of an excuse to finish her off - lingering sentimental feelings from a previous era notwithstanding.
Luke was never in the Order but Yoda counts him.
probably because Yoda literally IS the order at that point and what he says, goes.
probably because Yoda literally IS the order at that point and what he says, goes.
Yes, that was my point. If Yoda can give Luke the secret Jedi decoder ring after a couple weeks of swamp gymnastics, how would that not apply to Ahsoka or literally anyone else Yoda wants to include who actually went through years of training at the Temple?
I doubt when the number of known living force users on Yoda's side can be counted on his three-fingered hands he's going to start getting stingy about membership policies.
So? What does that have to do with her teaming up with Yoda during the OT? People are acting like whatever the former rules of the Jedi Order were or the beef Ahsoka had with the Order still apply in a world where they were completely wiped out. I doubt Ahsoka would be so bitter she'd turn her back on Yoda, or that Yoda would be such an uncompromising dick that he'd say "nope, you don't count as a real Jedi, so we don't want your help."
With respect to Ahsoka meeting Luke prior to the OT, given the connections that Anakin had/has with both of them, former master of one and father of the other, their meeting could perhaps send out ripples into the Force that Vader could sense. Yoda should be aware of this possibility, as should Ahsoka herself. Given that Obi-Wan was already close enough to Luke, I'd think it would be enough reason for Ahsoka to steer clear, and keep the risk of drawing Vader's (or the Emperor's) attention to Tatooine to a minimum.
ETA: Of course, it's entirely possible that Ahsoka doesn't even know about Luke or Leia in the first place.
With respect to why Vader doesn't see Luke and Yoda meeting in TESB, Vader senses a presence on the Falcon, who he evidently believes to be Luke, but it's really Leia, who he doesn't know about yet. So, Leia is clouding Vader's vision. As to why the Emperor can't spot Dagobah, well, evidently his vision is limited, and plus he's overconfident.
ETA: Of course, it's entirely possible that Ahsoka doesn't even know about Luke or Leia in the first place.
With respect to why Vader doesn't see Luke and Yoda meeting in TESB, Vader senses a presence on the Falcon, who he evidently believes to be Luke, but it's really Leia, who he doesn't know about yet. So, Leia is clouding Vader's vision. As to why the Emperor can't spot Dagobah, well, evidently his vision is limited, and plus he's overconfident.
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Do people age while in carbonite?
They could have Ahsoka frozen during Rebels' last season.
They could have Ahsoka frozen during Rebels' last season.
I'm not sure about the aging-in-carbonite thing. Han was encased in carbonite for just a year and whether his body continued to experience the natural aging process or not you weren't going to notice any sort of discernible difference in his appearance in such a short timeframe. Now, had he been trapped in carbon freeze for years or decades that's a different story.
If carbon freezing in the Lucas universe is anything remotely like cryogenics and suspended animation in the Trek universe then probably not. Han may still have looked the same even 100 years later.
If carbon freezing in the Lucas universe is anything remotely like cryogenics and suspended animation in the Trek universe then probably not. Han may still have looked the same even 100 years later.
