Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[kirk55555]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

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What is it with all of this 'Abrams screwing up Star Wars' bullcaca? People weren't satisfied with George Lucas directing, and now they're equally unsatisfied with Abrams directing the new movies. What the frack do these people want?

For the love of god,

Look at the time stamp of a post when you quote it. I'm getting tired of responding to posts I made 14 months ago, especially since my opinion has changed dramatically since then.

This isn't the first time you've done this, by the way

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=10139104&highlight=Shaka+Zulu#post10139104

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=10562656&highlight=Shaka+Zulu#post10562656

http://www.trekbbs.com/showthread.php?p=10517215&highlight=Shaka+Zulu#post10517215


Please, stop. If you're actually still reading the old posts and responding, bringing up posts of mine that are over a year old and don't represent my current thoughts at all is just ridiculous. I've mentioned this several times, so it just gets on my nerves a bit that it keeps happening. I'll take responsibility for being a moron when I made those posts, but its really pointless to keep bringing them up.

Now, for a slightly more on topic comment, I agree that Disney shouldn't ignore the Prequels, and the attitude that they should is kind of weird. Sure, they weren't great movies, but elements of them have been used very well, in The Clone Wars cartoon and elsewhere. There are certainly lessons to be learned from the prequels, mostly how not to make a SW movie, but they're here to stay.

 

[Mach5]

Hayden Christensen can be a good actor, see Life as a House or Shattered Glass and The Virgin Suicides.

The first thing I've seen HC in was "Higher Ground", a short-lived Canadian show for teens. He was really good there.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

Hayden Christensen is good in Takers.

 

[Set Harth]

Hayden Christensen can be a good actor, see Life as a House

I guess if you're playing a house, it actually helps when you turn in a wooden performance!

 

[Mach5]

Hayden Christensen can be a good actor, see Life as a House

I guess if you're playing a house, it actually helps when you turn in a wooden performance!

0/10

 

[cooleddie74]

Hayden isn't going to be winning an Oscar any time soon but most of his problems in the Prequels were directly related to George and his awkward, terrible script dialogue and clunky direction. That's how Natalie Portman and Samuel L. Jackson turned in the performances they did.

 

[Neroon]

Re: New Casting and Story Rumors re: EPISODE VII

What is it with all of this 'Abrams screwing up Star Wars' bullcaca? People weren't satisfied with George Lucas directing, and now they're equally unsatisfied with Abrams directing the new movies. What the frack do these people want?

Considering this and other similar types of posts, you have an infraction for trolling. Comments to PM

 

[JD]

I almost feel a little sorry for Hayden Christensen, everybody in the PT gave pretty bad performances, but he always gets singled out. I think it's mostly due to the fact that most people are familiar with his co-stars other stuff, but not much of his. Honestly, if you only saw Natalie Portman, and Ewan McGregor in their SW roles, you probably wouldn't think much of them either.

 

[cooleddie74]

Natalie and Samuel L. Jackson definitely turned in more disappointing performances because I had seen them in much meatier roles before the Prequels ever existed. Hayden was a completely new and untested actor from my point of view since I had never seen any of his Canadian television roles, so to me he seemed to be doing the best he could with the material that George had given him.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

I almost feel a little sorry for Hayden Christensen, everybody in the PT gave pretty bad performances, but he always gets singled out. I think it's mostly due to the fact that most people are familiar with his co-stars other stuff, but not much of his. Honestly, if you only saw Natalie Portman, and Ewan McGregor in their SW roles, you probably wouldn't think much of them either.

I think it's because the Anakin character is so whiny, petulant and thick. Instead of a fall from grace he comes across as too stupid to live. Playing Padme, Obi-Wan or Mace will probably generate less heat even should the performances be considered sub-par.

 

[cooleddie74]

Fair points, although as a famous Star Wars fan once said in a televised interview, who else would become Darth Vader but the whiniest, most self-centered brat in the galaxy who finally succumbed to his worst desires and let his lust for power overcome him? One can argue that Hayden Christensen may not have been the best actor to portray Anakin Skywalker, but I'm kind of glad that Anakin was never depicted as a near-perfect hero who fell from glory.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Fair points, although as a famous Star Wars fan once said in a televised interview, who else would become Darth Vader accept the whiniest, most self-centered brat in the galaxy who finally succumbed to his worst desires and let his lust for power overcome him? One can argue that Hayden Christensen may not have been the best actor to portray Anakin Skywalker, but I'm kind of glad that Anakin was never depicted as a near-perfect hero who fell from glory.

Still doesn't make him any more likable though. It is not the safest storytelling path though, in fact, I've never been quite sure how the audience is intended to see Anakin. When we find him annoying, were we meant to find him so?

I don't know that I've seen Hayden in anything else. While Natalie's OK in some roles I do feel she has even less chemistry with Thor than she did with Anakin.

 

[Ithekro]

Anakin comes off better in the Clone Wars once he has a padawan to teach and battles to fight.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Anakin comes off better in the Clone Wars once he has a padawan to teach and battles to fight.

Clone Wars Anakin is basically a whole different character. I find it hard to reconcile Clone Wars Anakin with PT Anakin.

I thought the only way I could see Clone Wars Anakin going dark side would be if something were to happen to Ahsoka that he blamed the Jedi Council for. I could see him becoming Vader as he tried to right that wrong but eventually turned into the iron hand we saw in the OT. Something that was starting to play out before the plug was pulled on Clone Wars.

Granted my own "fanon" and ignoring ROTS but I think it works better for connecting Anakin and Vader than we saw play out between the PT and OT. I just can't picture PT Anakin becoming the cold, methodical Vader we saw in the OT movies.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I thought the only way I could see Clone Wars Anakin going dark side would be if something were to happen to Ahsoka that he blamed the Jedi Council for. I could see him becoming Vader as he tried to right that wrong but eventually turned into the iron hand we saw in the OT. Something that was starting to play out before the plug was pulled on Clone Wars.

It's worth pointing that what we ended up with was something negative that happened to Ahsoka that the Jedi Council was to blame for. Even according to what actually happened in the series, it would be reasonable that Anakin would lose faith in the Jedi Council just as Ahsoka did. In the end it's there, but it's not on the scale you're talking about and it doesn't rewrite ROTS in the slightest. But, if I may put it this way, all in all, it's just another brick in the wall. Anakin's wall.

 

[Doctorwhovian]

Oscar Isaac

Spoiler: The force awakens

who plays the character Poe Dameron, seen piloting an X-wing in the trailer, has confirmed he will be in Episode 8

 

[cooleddie74]

I saw that. It's nice to know he'll be in more than one of the new films, because the Rebel Alliance always needs at least one fighter pilot besides Luke Skywalker who survives into the next film.

 

[Corran Horn]

Lucas intention in the OT was to produce movies that felt old fashioned. This is the reason they had the grand score and screen swipes AND that they were family friendly. There are several quotes of him talking about how worried he was that the first movie would be rejected by the public because it was too reminiscent of an earlier era of films.

These are defining traits of the Star Wars franchise as much as the characters and the story, perhaps more so. I want to see a new and original take but there is much to the character and style of the films that need to remain intact in order for the films to actually be STAR WARS.

There's also a part in the TPM making-of docu where Lucas admits it'd be financially smarter to make Episode I more like Episode II was - he knew a child Anakin would be a tough sell.

I've seen that doc many times When did he say that?

You know, I listened to it (it's on youtube) at work the other day and I didn't hear it. It's not in the Episode II one either. I figure he either said it in the commentary for I or II or I just imagined it.

 

[JD]

EDIT: I started this post in response to cooleddie74 before Corran Horn's post appeared.
Wedge survived all three OT movies, and even lived decades past that in the Legends stories.
It's nice to know at least one of the new characters will survive past TFA. Although I think most people would be more interested in whether or not any of the big three survive. But I doubt they'll spoil their fates before the movie is out.

 

[Flying Spaghetti Monster]

There's also a part in the TPM making-of docu where Lucas admits it'd be financially smarter to make Episode I more like Episode II was - he knew a child Anakin would be a tough sell.

I've seen that doc many times When did he say that?

You know, I listened to it (it's on youtube) at work the other day and I didn't hear it. It's not in the Episode II one either. I figure he either said it in the commentary for I or II or I just imagined it.

It's all good.
It's interesting how worried Lucas, McCullum, and Burtt seem as they start screening the rough cuts of Episode One.