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Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

The DVD and Blu ray enhancements of the blades improved them a little bit (although Vader's is now too pink in both ESB and Jedi

Ugh. I had hoped the Blu-ray would fix that. I mean, I heard it was somewhat better but it would have been nice if it had been totally fixed.

Did they at least fix the lightsaber-cross shot in ROTJ, the one where you can't see the lightsaber cores because the contrast is all wrong?
 
The blades crossing in front of the Emperor's face? Yeah, the Blu ray fixed that so now the two blades don't awkwardly connect with one another and look all sloppy when they collide.
 
I wouldn't call ROTJ "ugly" exactly, but it's definitely lit in a much more stark way, and doesn't look nearly as rich and atmospheric as ESB. But then neither was ANH, so at least there's some kind of precedent.

As to that skiff shot, my only real issue with it is just how they reversed the image, so now Ford's nose is crooked in the completely wrong direction and he just looks really goofy and weird throughout. Lol
 
I don't get the folks who hate on the prequels but defend RotJ to the death. It is easily my least favorite of the six. Han's characterization is wobbly and Harrison Ford seems to sleepwalk through the movie, Leia's response to her parentage is completely flat, the Ewoks make the Gungans look like Shakespearean players, Luke's plan to rescue Han makes absolutely no sense, and the climactic battle between Luke, Vader, and the Emperor is robbed of meaning by the fact that it is about to blow up anyway.

To elaborate on Gungans vs Ewoks, at least the Gungan army in TPM was only there to provide a distraction, as they lost to the droids after a fairly short time. Somehow the Ewoks manage to defeat "an entire legion of [the emperor's] best troops" with ease. The original idea of having it be Wookiees would have been much better.

I hope TFA is really good, that way RotJ is just a bump in the road rather than a disappointing conclusion to a great series.
 
As to that skiff shot, my only real issue with it is just how they reversed the image, so now Ford's nose is crooked in the completely wrong direction and he just looks really goofy and weird throughout. Lol

George loved his reversed images, didn't he? As late as Episode I the shot of Artoo in the droid socket of Anakin's Naboo Fighter as they race out of the doomed Droid Control Ship is flipped, and there may be flipped and reversed shots in Episodes II and III that I'm forgetting at the moment.
 
The original idea of having it be Wookiees would have been much better.

This is no doubt true in terms of making the film more believable relative to combat mechanics, and I used to believe the film would have been improved by using Wookiees instead of Ewoks.

I changed my mind, though.

I believe that the key point is that there's a limit to how intense this film can be and still have the OT conclude on a high note. A thoroughly intense scenario would have had the jungle burned down for some distance all the way around the Imperial facilities on the Forest Moon. Sneaking up in the bushes would have been out of the question for any species. After an incredibly brutal fight, hitting all the parallels with Vietnam, including Wookiees on fire, there's just no way that the audience would be anything but drained. If you want it plausible, children in the theater are going to be crying.

As already mentioned, the Jabba's palace chapter and the Emperor throne room scenes have their measure of intensity. After TESB, the trilogy needed to lighten up, and get back to the pure fun that the first film brought to the screen. I don't believe that ROTJ succeeded in every way that EPIV did in that respect, but I believe that that was the intention.

In particular, the Ewoks don't entirely succeed in execution. For one thing, the Ewok suits that were used to make the film were pretty poor by 1983 standards, but overall they seemed to make the best out of what they had.

It's also worth pointing out that the idea that Wookiees would be underestimated is much more far-fetched than the idea that Ewoks would be overlooked. In a realistic scenario, Imperial troops would have drilled specially for Wookiee attacks, were Wookiees indigenous. Ewoks on the other hand it seems were simply thought to be stone age aboriginals and were wrongly judged not to be a threat of any kind. So, the Ewoks enjoyed one tangible advantage over the Wookiees, in terms of surprise and lack of specific Imperial preparation.

at least the Gungan army in TPM was only there to provide a distraction, as they lost to the droids after a fairly short time. Somehow the Ewoks manage to defeat "an entire legion of [the emperor's] best troops" with ease.
And this is certainly so. But then again, there's not as much at stake at that point in TPM, only one planet. In ROTJ, it's one do-or-die battle for the fate of the whole galaxy. Were the stakes and especially the objectives different, the Gungans would probably have fought a different kind of battle, besides stand-and-defend with the intention of simply falling back when they couldn't hold the position any more; their battle plan didn't require them to defeat the army or occupy a military installation. In ROTJ, they had to do those things.
 
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Jedi I believe was also the (only?) film that filmed in California (Endor) and Arizona (for the Dune sea/Sarlacc pit). Possibly because of the overseas production troubles ANH and ESB had filming on location- and even when Lucas returned to ANH's locations for TPM, there was a bad sandstorm which heavily damaged the Mos Espa sets.


Of course there was with TFA Ford's foot injury but I think that happened on an interior set.
 
Yeah, as far as I'm aware Harrison Ford's leg injury was sustained on an indoor soundstage in England and it didn't happen during any of the outdoor shooting sequences.
 
As to that skiff shot, my only real issue with it is just how they reversed the image, so now Ford's nose is crooked in the completely wrong direction and he just looks really goofy and weird throughout. Lol

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What sort of shot is this? It's somewhere between a medium-long shot (which shows the figure from head to knee) and a long shot (which shows the entire figure, including feet). Now, the way it's framed, it's clear that this is "supposed" to be a medium-long shot, but they fudged it to fit Chewbacca's head and the skiff on the screen. You can tell because they could have easily fit both Chewbacca and the skiff onscreen in long shot, but otherwise inexplicably chose not to.

A proper medium-long shot, assuming that Han is the character to focus on, would actually look more like this:

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It's not precise, but you get the idea: Chewbacca and the boat are not the important parts of the shot -- Han's reaction to his impending extrajudicial execution is. Going further, the best-of-both-worlds solution would be to show the entire boat in a long shot, and then push the camera in to the medium-long shot, so that we can see the characters in more detail. Compare the amount of head-space above Han and Luke in both versions.
 
I have a lot of affection for Jedi, but the cinematography and bluescreen sequences often leave a lot to be desired and it's a bit ironic it's the least-attractive of the Original Trilogy films from a visual perspective considering it was the third one produced and incorporated the revolutionary techniques developed in part by the two previous movies in the Saga.

It's not an ugly film, but it just doesn't visually grab and hold you the way the first two movies did.
 
It's not an ugly film

I'd argue that it is. Contrast this:

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To this:

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The first has some genuinely dynamic lighting, and the composition, with that semi-triangular area of darkness along with the shadows on Luke's face, show that he has quite a bit of the Dark Side in him and he's fighting a battle against it, but the majority of him is still on the good side.

The shot from Jedi has just flat, impotent lighting. If Marquand were talented, he would have mirrored the lighting and composition from the cave shot in Empire, because the Dark Side is swirling within Luke by this point (he's just too reckless and arrogant to realize it -- remember, his cunning plan to rescue Han was to murder the fuck out of everybody) and in a little bit he's going to have to come to the absolute brink before he can actually save himself and his father. Would have been a nice bit of foreshadowing. (But, again, it would have required a better director and cinematographer.)
 
I adore the throne room scenes in RotJ, but outside of that it's not all that strong of a film. I'd argue Revenge of the Sith eclipses it.
 
Honestly, if I like the story of a movie, I couldn't care less about the cinematography. Unless it is completely intrusive (like, I don't know, constantly blurry shots or shaky cam stuff), then its not something I think of, and doesn't factor into what I think of a movie. :shrug: I mean, sometimes stuff like bad CG can take you out of a scene, but I'm really fair to movies in that regard, since I'm used to bad CG in TV shows I like.

Stuff like the barge shot a few posts ago not only doesn't bother me, but I prefer the original to the "fixed" example underneath it. But, that's just me. I'm in a movie to experience the story, characters, etc, and I'm very easy to please when it comes to how a story is shot. That attitude is probably also why I couldn't care less about HD, and won't bother with HD until that is literally the only way to keep watching stuff.
 
Marquand was clearly the weakest and least talented director of the entire OT, and I might argue the entire Saga. That said, he somehow managed to pull off a thoroughly entertaining albeit very flawed film that had one of the strongest endings in the entire franchise. I wish the cinematography were better, but given his limited directorial experience before Lucas hired him I think he deserves credit.

Kershner and Empire were the hardest cinematic act to follow since probably the original Godfather, but Marquand and the crew delivered a good movie that's held up over the years in spite of its shortcomings.
 
Honestly, if I like the story of a movie, I couldn't care less about the cinematography. Unless it is completely intrusive (like, I don't know, constantly blurry shots or shaky cam stuff), then its not something I think of, and doesn't factor into what I think of a movie.

Bad CGI isn't really an issue. But a movie is a motion picture. It's a giant stream of photography. Composition and lighting are key in order to make a good photograph.

Generally speaking I think ROTJ tells a good story, narratively. That doesn't change the fact that it is ridiculously ugly outside of a few sequences (the space battle, which Marquand had nothing to do with, and the throne room, which still has an issue in that there's no indication of where Luke is when he does his Superman flip to some scaffold).
 
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Even Obi-Wan's Force ghost doesn't look as good, at least during the sequence where he tells Luke about Anakin's past and reveals Leia is his sister. There are moments you can clearly tell its Alec Guinness physically sitting next to Mark Hamill, even casting shadows.
 
Even Obi-Wan's Force ghost doesn't look as good, at least during the sequence where he tells Luke about Anakin's past and reveals Leia is his sister. There are moments you can clearly tell its Alec Guinness physically sitting next to Mark Hamill, even casting shadows.

Well, the whole idea of the ghost sitting down was :rolleyes:! :lol:
 
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