The Jedi could've probably saved a lot more lives if their lightsabers had a "stun" setting...LOL!
Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens
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Palpatine may have been the 'glue' that held the Empire together, but it was still such a vast, galaxy-spanning organization that I doubt it simply vanished immediately after Palps' death. An organization that huge is going to take time to die.
Doctorwhovian
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The EU (The "Legends" stuff) had the Empire stick around for a while, even after they lost Coruscant. Basically, although they do have a few victories/resurgences (Thrawn and the Palpatine clone mainly), they gradually lose their territory until they're forced to a few sectors, and by then the Empire sort of become good guys under the leadership of Palleon, Thrawn's former second-in-command and are allowed to keep the systems still under their control. After that the Empire continues to sort of exist under the Fel dynasty who are pretty much related to Wedge, Han/Leia, and an Imperial ace pilot through marriages. NJO/Dark nest/Legacy/Fate of the Jedi mainly deal with outside enemies, the return of the Sith, and corruption within.
That is of course until the Legacy comics which take place a century later, which have the Empire resurgent thanks to the Sith although they're split into two factions, one led by the Sith, and one led by the latest Fel who is kind of a 'good' Empire.
That is of course until the Legacy comics which take place a century later, which have the Empire resurgent thanks to the Sith although they're split into two factions, one led by the Sith, and one led by the latest Fel who is kind of a 'good' Empire.
Or there was any consistency in what powers they had and when they used them. Sometimes they fling enemies (who always conveniently stop firing as they are being flung) sometimes they chop their enemies into pieces (of course they give them the long stare as they finish them off) and some times they deflect bolts back into their enemies. Some Jedi stand around helplessly while getting killed and others fight like crazed monsters against a million foes.
Jedi fighting in groups seem to have no concept of tactics or how to work in tandem, they just go at the enemy and do a bunch of gee whiz that's amazing kind of attacks, and then pose for the camera.
Have you seen the last episodes of Rebels?
This.
Had the Rebel Alliance been a huge, overwhelming military force with the manpower and equipment to rapidly move in and occupy all of Imperial space the Empire might well have ceased to exist shortly after the victory at Endor, but it wasn't and thus the remnants of the Empire managed to hang on and last for years after the two Sith Lords perished.
Emperor Palpatine and Darth Vader used the sinister powers of the Dark Side of the Force to hold their Empire together and give it focus, but it wasn't going to cease existing after their death short of a post-WWII kind of long-term occupation by the victors and the purging of high-ranking Imperial bureaucrats and officers from the governing agencies and organizations that ruled over much of the galaxy. Left to their own devices, the high-ranking officials who were still in positions of authority after Endor weren't going to surrender and give up their great power without a fight.
I just had this thought while rewatching ROTJ the other day. In the special edition, we see the fireworks and celebrations on a variety of planets, including Coruscant, which was basically the Emperor's home base. And I couldn't help thinking, "What about all the Imperial officers on those planets?" The entire government was under the control of the Emperor. It seems really unlikely that all these civilians would suddenly be allowed to throw parties to celebrate his death.
^ Who knows - some of those Imperials might not have liked Palpatine much. They may have been as eager to see him die as the Rebels were.
They got away with it for about an hour, then when the Imperial troops started arriving in large numbers to quell the celebrations the citizens started yelling things like: "HEY, IT'S THE FUZZ! RUN!!!"
I'm just impressed that word traveled so fast that they were all able to organize fireworks displays.
Yeah, the EU was pretty quick to explain away the SE-added Coruscant celebration upon the Emperor's death.
The Imperial HoloNet clearly uses the best and fastest WiFi that any xenophobic and dictatorial regime can provide for its citizens.
That's the heart of the matter right there. The Star Wars that most people can see today is not the movie that made history in 1977. With Lucasfilm refusing to provide an original print to the National Film Registry and discouraging public screening of collectors' original prints, it seems that they would prefer the original versions to be lost to history. An artist revisiting his own work is one thing. Trying to revise its history, that's something else.
BTW, try to find the original version of THX-1138 today. You've got your work cut out for you.
To be fair, Marcia Lucas wanted to keep the Luke/Tatooine scenes interspersed with the blockade runner fight and the droids' escape, as well as the Jabba scene. I think George made the right calls, there. Of course he put the awful Jabba stuff back in later...
ETA: Also, she shared editing duties and the Academy Award with Paul Hirsch and Richard Chew.
Lucas wasn't a financial backer, it started out as his project. He had been working on it with John Milius back before the THX-1138 feature. When Coppola wanted him to make a more upbeat movie, he made American Graffiti, which was also much cheaper to do. When no studios were interested in a Vietnam movie, Lucas began working on his science fiction ideas for his next project. Coppola came back with all his Godfather money and wanted to finance Apocalypse Now, but Lucas didn't want to abandon Star Wars at that point, so he handed the whole thing over to Coppola.
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The explaination for the Jedi was that they normally would negotiate disputes, and solve problems. Most would not need to draw their lightsaber. In fact that is one of the reasons so many died on Geonosis was that most of those 200 present were not skilled with their lightsabers, or very rusty. Even a rusty Jedi can deflect a blaster bolt. But several dozen blaster bolts? Sonic cannons? Their style was diplomatic. Most that used that style died that day. Those that lived used more aggressive, or highly defensive styles of lightsaber combat.
Yoda's teaching to Luke are the old philosophies of the Jedi. The Force is used for knowledge and defense, never attack.
Yoda's teaching to Luke are the old philosophies of the Jedi. The Force is used for knowledge and defense, never attack.
Yeah for years I had a problem with as well, but oncve you understand that it is a fantasy it's easier to live with the sudden end of the Empire in ROTJ. And in what movie does it state how big the Empire was anyway?
True enough. In ROTS we see the fall of the Jedi, and we see Anakin become Vader, but we never actually see the Empire form.
And by the time ANH rolls around, we hear about how the Emperor has finally dissolved the Senate. Was he still just pretending to be Chancellor Palpatine that whole time? Did the galaxy know that he was a Sith Lord?
We saw the Empire form in ROTS when Palpatine revealed his scarred face to the Senate. He reformed the Republic into the Empire and became Emperor Palpatine. He never revealed that he was a Sith Lord (there really was no good reason for him to do so).
The Republic was thousands of star systems - logically, the Empire was also thousands of star systems. So the Empire is huge. It is the Galactic Empire, after all.
Doctorwhovian
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Yeah, there's clearly a line in the film: "The Republic will be re-organized into the first Galactic Empire". Anakin and Palpatine also refer to the "new empire".
Palpatine is also referred to as the Emperor by Obi-Wan and Yoda, at least. Although for some reason during the Mustafar fight they start referring to him as Chancellor again. Bit of a goof there I think.
There's also deleted scenes in ROTS that refer to Palpatine establishing the Moffs.
As for Palpatine and the whole Sith thing, it's implied I think that outside the Jedi, only Tarkin and maybe a few of Palpatine's close advisors know his true nature, his dual role in the war etc. Vader's presence is a bit harder to explain, I suppose, maybe a Jedi who helped Palpatine stop the rebellion or something. Although of course there's the "Lord" and "Darth" labels, especially the last one.
Palpatine is also referred to as the Emperor by Obi-Wan and Yoda, at least. Although for some reason during the Mustafar fight they start referring to him as Chancellor again. Bit of a goof there I think.
There's also deleted scenes in ROTS that refer to Palpatine establishing the Moffs.
As for Palpatine and the whole Sith thing, it's implied I think that outside the Jedi, only Tarkin and maybe a few of Palpatine's close advisors know his true nature, his dual role in the war etc. Vader's presence is a bit harder to explain, I suppose, maybe a Jedi who helped Palpatine stop the rebellion or something. Although of course there's the "Lord" and "Darth" labels, especially the last one.
