Discussion in 'Star Wars' started by Reverend, Jun 5, 2019.
Some time later...
Oh god, Zardoz. That is one of the weirdest movies I have ever seen.
You know, I never did get around to watching it...
I've avoided Zardoz (for the most part) after hearing out it from my parents who watched it on the pre-HBO Channel 100. A long time ago.
It spans the time that you cannot keep the suns from setting.
This is kind of topic, but I didn't think it deserves a whole thread so I'm going just put it here.
I just watched the Season 2 finale for Legion, and there was a scene at the end where Syd, the main character's love interest,
Spoiler: Legion Season 2 finale
confronts with him with the fact that he's killed and tortured people, that he liked it, and that's she's realized he's the bad guy. As the scene was going on, I was thinking that Lucas really should have given Padme a scene like that in the end of Revenge of the Sith. I think it really would have done a lot to help the character.
Thematically speaking, it was necessary for Padme to never fully loose faith in Anakin, so I think having a scene were she disavows him rather than pleads with him to turn back would have run contrary to that.
For me, the more fundamental problem with the prequels wasn't that they should have done this or that differently, but the overall story was too big for just three movies and too ill suited to be told within the confines of a swashbuckling adventure fairy tale. It's also why I think TCW really helps to redeem the PT as it has orders of magnitude more time and breadth to tell the story of Anakin.
Yes, it would have been nice for Padme to have something more to do other than be pregnant and die and indeed she did before they cut out all the "seed of rebellion" scenes.
That said, reading Lucas's early thoughts back when making RotJ, it's clear that he always struggled with what exactly to do with "Mrs Skywalker".
At that point, the general notion wasn't that Anakin would suddenly turn out of desperation, but he would have been corrupted slowly, and even to the point that he'd secretly been helping Palpatine murder Jedi by luring them away and ambushing them (sounds a lot like what they ended up doing with Kylo, incidentally.)
Interestingly it would have been her that figured out Anakin wasn't quite 'right' and brings it to Obi-Wan, resulting in the the lava pit fight. The twins would have been born a bit later and at it's a full six months later when Obi-Wan finds out the Emperor fished Vader out of the lava, prompting them all to split up and hide. Obi-Wan to his brother Owen and "Mrs Skywalker" to Alderaan, where she dies shortly afterwards, because: "reasons."
Even at this early phase she's only mostly been there to serve as a plot contrivance and it's a shame he never really got a handle on the character.
I guess you're probably right, but it still would have been nice if Padme had to do in RoTS, the whole birth of the rebellion story being cut is still one of my biggest disappointments with it. Her constant obliviousness to Anakin's darker aspects is a little aggravating at times too.
I don't think she's oblivious so much as she underestimates the potential depth and breadth of his darker aspects. Remember, she's not a Jedi and wasn't educated as such so the significance of the warning signs are going to be lost on her. She would just read him as a good person, somewhat tormented by a traumatic past which she was largely present and may even feel partly responsible for.
That last part might even be the more significant aspect as we learn in 'Queen's Shadow' she dispatched Sabé to rescue Shimi and the other slaves but was largely unsuccessful.
In short; her compassion outweighed her misgivings, a trait it seems both Luke and Leia inherited and was the reason Vader was redeemed at all.
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