Star Wars Clone Wars SPOILERS from Lucas/Stewart interview

[CorporalClegg]

Just started watching the Clone Wars (the movie and the first half-dozen or so episodes).

I'm really liking what they've done.

Padme is actually awesome!

I also really like Ahsoka. She's got spunk! It's too bad her genesis had to come after the films. She could have added a nice extra little plot kink in Sith.

The only problem I have with the series so far is what a painful reminder it is of what the PT could have been.

 

[David cgc]

But I've often wondered how he went about explaining the dead younglings. I think even those in favor of the Empire would have a hard time trying to justify that. My guess...Palpatine said that he tried to save the Jedi younglings but the Jedi killed them in a last act of villainy. The proof is that they had lightsaber burns on them.

He gave anyone who asked after them a special gift of fresh-cut sunflowers.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Ahsoka is my hero, I love her, my main reason for watching the Clone Wars despite at first being really skeptical about what kind of role she would play in the series.

 

[JediKnightButler]

The trailer looks really cool. It looks like we'll get some more Ventress again (she was gone the entire last season), Dooku, Ziro(?). Oh, and it looks like we'll get some more Mandalore/Satine action as well. I'm excited that they decided to bring the Nightsisters of Dathomir into the series- first seen in the EU novel, "The Courtship of Princess Leia. It looks like we'll see a major battle on Kamino as well. The trailer made things look pretty ominous for Ashoka and it appears that Aurra Sing didn't die (did anybody really think she did?). It sucks that I had to ditch my cable this past Spring but I still have iTunes, so I can always download the episode if I want though I'm not sure I'm going to want to miss any episodes THIS season. Hmmmm.....maybe I'll get rich within the next month and get my cable back. Who knows?

 

[SeerSGB]

On the trailer, it looks to be a fun year. The only hitch I see if Maul's brother.

Is there still that much fan love for Maul? Not being a smartass, but I honestly thought that Maul was pretty much "meh" at this point. Besides, if they're going to bring him back (essentially what they're doing), why not have Dooku or Palpatine clone him (didn't they do something like that in the EU) and have him come back to test Anakin or settle the score with Obi-Wan.

Next season: Anakin long lost sister returns...as a Tusken Raider..dun, dun, dun!

But I've often wondered how he went about explaining the dead younglings. I think even those in favor of the Empire would have a hard time trying to justify that.

Brainwashed youth fighting to the bitter end for a cult bent on galactic domination. It also has a certain ring of truth to it.

One thing Lucas did for sure with the PT was make damn sure you want to kick the Jedi's asses at the end of it. I don't know if how he envisioned them in the 70s and what we got when we finally got them changed, or if it was just the years of build up, but damn I was cheering for the Sith just on the basic principle that someone had to take those self-righteous SOBs down a peg or two.

Jedi, Sith, two sides of the same coin.

 

[JediKnightButler]

One thing Lucas did for sure with the PT was make damn sure you want to kick the Jedi's asses at the end of it. I don't know if how he envisioned them in the 70s and what we got when we finally got them changed, or if it was just the years of build up, but damn I was cheering for the Sith just on the basic principle that someone had to take those self-righteous SOBs down a peg or two.

Jedi, Sith, two sides of the same coin.

Hmmm.....I'm not sure that I got that same feeling but it was definitely masterful- in an evil Machiavellian way of course- how Palpatine was able to not only bring the Jedi Order down but was also able to so thoroughly discredit them and rewrite history to make THEM the villains and even the instigators/manipulators behind the Clone Wars, at least in the eyes of most of the citizens of the new Galactic Empire. Based on the EU, even the New Republic/Galactic Alliance governments still had some doubts and reservations about the Jedi Order and one faction, in particular, was more than willing to sell them out to the Vong during that conflict.

 

[Set Harth]

and it appears that Aurra Sing didn't die (did anybody really think she did?)

She can't die, she has to stay alive so she can end up in prison on Oovo IV at the start of Street of Shadows post-ROTS ( although the way the show is handling her, it's almost like it's not even the same character ).

I was cheering for the Sith just on the basic principle that someone had to take those self-righteous SOBs down a peg or two

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"

"Then you are lost!"

 

[Checkmate]

Re: the spoiler:

"Ewoks is a derivation of where we live, it's an old Indian vilage site, the Miwok Indians."

Huh, I've heard about the Miwok my whole life, and never made that connection.

Jesus, how much backpeddling and retconning does this clown have to do to try and make himself sound philosophical and deep? Ewoks was a lame deriviation of Wookiees for an equally lame decision to not use actual Wookies in the damn movie.

The guy's worse than Gene Roddenberry.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I've suggested it before and will do so again but do a google search for something called "The Secret History of Star Wars" as it is an excellent book on the revisionist history that Lucas has had on the origins and creation of Star Wars. It's just over five hundred pages and is a fascinating and smooth read. Can't recommend it enough.

 

[SeerSGB]

and it appears that Aurra Sing didn't die (did anybody really think she did?)

She can't die, she has to stay alive so she can end up in prison on Oovo IV at the start of Street of Shadows post-ROTS ( although the way the show is handling her, it's almost like it's not even the same character ).

I was cheering for the Sith just on the basic principle that someone had to take those self-righteous SOBs down a peg or two

"From my point of view the Jedi are evil!"

"Then you are lost!"

The Jedi vs Sith: One big messageboard argument.

Jedi: You're evil, you're Sith!

Sith: You're evil, you're Jedi!

Jedi: Ha! I just proved you're evil. Only Sith deals in absolutes!

Sith: Wait, isn't that what you just did?

Jedi: ... I must kill you for the good of the galaxy!

 

[DarthPipes]

On the trailer, it looks to be a fun year. The only hitch I see if Maul's brother.

Is there still that much fan love for Maul? Not being a smartass, but I honestly thought that Maul was pretty much "meh" at this point. Besides, if they're going to bring him back (essentially what they're doing), why not have Dooku or Palpatine clone him (didn't they do something like that in the EU) and have him come back to test Anakin or settle the score with Obi-Wan.

Next season: Anakin long lost sister returns...as a Tusken Raider..dun, dun, dun!

But I've often wondered how he went about explaining the dead younglings. I think even those in favor of the Empire would have a hard time trying to justify that.

Brainwashed youth fighting to the bitter end for a cult bent on galactic domination. It also has a certain ring of truth to it.

One thing Lucas did for sure with the PT was make damn sure you want to kick the Jedi's asses at the end of it. I don't know if how he envisioned them in the 70s and what we got when we finally got them changed, or if it was just the years of build up, but damn I was cheering for the Sith just on the basic principle that someone had to take those self-righteous SOBs down a peg or two.

Jedi, Sith, two sides of the same coin.

I liked Maul but I liked Dooku a lot better. I've heard others say Maul should have lived to continue being the villain but I think he had to die to "put over" Obi-Wan as a Jedi. Also, Dooku is much more complex and engaging as a villain. To me, Maul was nowhere near as interesting as Dooku. I hope this show explores Dooku's background a little more as an ex-Jedi.

 

[SeerSGB]

Maul came off as a trained attack-dog (essentially his purpose in TPM). I don't think he could have carried the films as the #2 big-bad.

 

[CorporalClegg]

^
But that's only because he was written that way. Obviously, GL already had the idea of a Dooku-type character when he wrote TPM.

I've always thought Dooku was a mistake. I never really liked him (Never really cared for Lee either.), and I think by having two henchmen instead of just one weakened them both.

Dooku didn't exactly do so much more that they couldn't have just given Maul more lines in Phantom and ran with it. In fact, adding a classic dialog dance between Maul and QGJ in the Naboo fight probably would have made it even better.

Plus, Maul has all the badass points. It was hard to believe Dooku could win in a fight against a tree. He just didn't have the "mystique" of the other old Jedi (Yoda, Sidious, etc.)

 

[DarthPipes]

I don't think dialogue would have worked with Maul. The silent treatment fit him better. He was like Mike Tyson.

Another difference between Dooku and Maul is you could see Dooku leading a seperatist movement.

 

[Hound of UIster]

No you don't.

We see Grievous lead the Separatists more than Dooku, who is barely there in terms of leadership in AOTC and he gets beheaded less than a quarter of th way in ROTS.

 

[Set Harth]

The Jedi vs Sith: One big messageboard argument.

Not really. The Jedi are actually good ( defenders of the Republic ) while the Sith are actually evil ( killers of the innocent ). It's not a "he said, she said".

 

[Admiral_Young]

Dooku is there as their figurehead and obviously is there as pawn for Sidious who is the true leader of the Separatist forces. Ventress could be seen as a general as is General Grevious, both pawns. The Clone Wars is like a massive chess board game that Palpatine has initiated.

Very clearly that both Maul and Dooku are meant to be fall guys to set up the turn of Anakin becoming Darth Vader. Maul a young man in his prime, while Dooku is a fallen Jedi jaded by politics and other bullshit who blinded by power promised by Sidious turned to the Dark Side. Remember the look of shock on Tyrannus's face in ROTS when Palpatine orders Anakin to kill him? It's clearly implied in that scene that Dooku was never told about the full extent of the plan by his master and was always going to be used as a means to an end. I had no problem with Dooku as a Sith Lord.

 

[SeerSGB]

The Jedi vs Sith: One big messageboard argument.

Not really. The Jedi are actually good ( defenders of the Republic ) while the Sith are actually evil ( killers of the innocent ). It's not a "he said, she said".

Define innocent? Remember, the Jedi led a slave army (the clones) and had no problem spending their lives on the battlefield. They didn't even really question it to much, they just accepted the GAR and accepted that the only way was war and step right into the leadership roles on the frontline. Then there is the whole taking infants to be trained if they're born force sensitive; the prequels tend to imply that this is pretty much a given if your kid is born force sensitive. What about the parents that don't want their kid trained?

I'm sorry but the Prequels better much make the only difference between the two orders being the tools each uses to achieve their agenda.

And before we get into "The EU says...", I'm talking on screen, what the average movie goer that isn't hardcore into Star Wars is seeing, not the fans.

 

[DarthPipes]

I understand why the Jedi used the clone army to fight the war but that doesn't make it right. I hope the Clone Wars series features some episodes where the Jedi begin to question the ethics of using a clone army. We've seen some hints on this among the clones so it seems like it's a potentially emerging storyline.

Dooku was the leader of the Seperatist movement. Grievious was the leader on the ground. He clearly thought he was a lot more powerful judging by that look of surprise when Palpatine orders Anakin to kill him.

Define innocent? Remember, the Jedi led a slave army (the clones) and had no problem spending their lives on the battlefield. They didn't even really question it to much, they just accepted the GAR and accepted that the only way was war and step right into the leadership roles on the frontline. Then there is the whole taking infants to be trained if they're born force sensitive; the prequels tend to imply that this is pretty much a given if your kid is born force sensitive. What about the parents that don't want their kid trained?

We're never told exactly how the process goes. I don't think they take the children without the parents permission though. Anakin was given a choice as to whether he wanted to go with Qui-Gon.

 

[Set Harth]

Define innocent?

The Jedi weren't the only ones killed. You may be forgetting an entire planet. And then there's the whole killing children thing. Ah, who am I kidding, those evil little bastards were probably guilty of all kinds of things. Multiple counts of toy theft and soiled diapers, at any rate.

And before we get into "The EU says...", I'm talking on screen, what the average movie goer that isn't hardcore into Star Wars is seeing, not the fans.

If you think the all-important "average moviegoer" ( a nebulous though significant figure whose opinion somehow always outweighs that of anyone who really gives a shit ) doesn't see the Sith or the Empire as comparably evil, you might be projecting just a teensy tiny bit. Perhaps.