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He shows up dressed as a caveman in animal skins and only a moderate grasp of basic. He out thinks all the imperials on the planet when they meet him, but its all very crude for Thrawn and feels more like MacGuyver then something the real Thrawn would do. He learns basic fast (thankfully),
Flintstones when it comes to attire, now I'm just imaging Fake thrawn dressed like a caveman which just makes the whole first section hilarious. He has power generators and other supplies but dresses in animal skins, which makes absolutely no sense but is probably what Fake Thrawn deserves
That chapter is a retelling of a short story Zahn did back in 1995 called 'Mist Encounter', long before this "Fake Thrawn" as you put it. He was described wearing similar things.
He was exiled to the planet with only basic supplies, including the generators you mention, same as in that short story.
The way he attacks the imperial party, the way he takes down the V-Wings with the mono-filament, all of it is in that original story. Your "Real Thrawn" did all of that.
Obviously there are some differences, like replacing TIE's with V-Wings, and the Strikefast is a Venator instead of a Victory Class, since the original was written before the prequels. Of course Eli Vanto also wasn't in the original.
Considering that Filoni can be heard talking about Thrawn in specific manners as far back as the Battle of Ryloth episode arc of The Clone Wars (season one) and taking a tactic used in "Heir to the Empire" and using it correctly would speak to him having at least read the novel at some point before starting to work at Lucasfilm.
They have wanted to use Thrawn for ages, but needed to find the right time to bring him out. He's not a casual villain. He competent, but not scary evil, which puts him between the usual Imperial officers and Darth Vader. Most Imperials are incompetent, with Agent Kallus being moderately competent for an Imperial. (Kallus was going to be a blue skinned, red eyes Chiss at one point in the development cycle) While Thrawn is the one that is playing the long game. Find out as much as possible about the Rebels. Use them to not only gain information that leads to their base of operations, but also draw out the larger rebel movement to a place of his choosing and destroy it. Did he let them get away a lot...yes. Thrawn also let the Heroes of Yavin get away a few times to set them up for a larger trap. In the end, Thrawn trashed the Rebel fleet, destroyed their base, and almost got all of them. The things that prevented total victory were things that were unexpected, and thus the usual things that would hinder Thrawn in the original novels. The heroes of course have to get away....it is their story. Just like Luke or Leia have to get away from Thrawn in the novels when they probably shouldn't have. They have to....it is their story.
What escaped? A handful of transports and small warships, with maybe a half dozen fighters. Everything else was destroyed by the Empire. Four capital ships, a half dozen or more smaller warships, dozens of fighters, hundreds if not thousands of rebels killed. The Empire lost two cruisers, some TIEs, some walkers, and a few dozen additional stormtroopers. And both cruisers were lost due to the incompetence of other Imperials.
Considering that Filoni can be heard talking about Thrawn in specific manners as far back as the Battle of Ryloth episode arc of The Clone Wars (season one) and taking a tactic used in "Heir to the Empire" and using it correctly would speak to him having at least read the novel at some point before starting to work at Lucasfilm.
That is extremely screwed up. Now, i'd say all that to Filoni's face if I was magically in a room with him, but you have no right to take any of my posts and use it that way. I don't go insult him on facebook or twitter or anywhere but here because I don't do that kind of thing, I don't specifically go after people like some nutjob. I talk on an internet forum, if he was a forum goer and saw it I'd have an argument with him with no hesitation, but that's it. I'll talk shit about him and what I think about him whenever I want, just because you like him doesn't mean he's some untouchable person.
Also, I have all the right I want to insult assholes like Filoni. Its been said to death by nboth ormal people and assholes, but there is a first amendment in the country I reside in (the United States, obviously). You can talk bullshit about "slander", but I doubt Filoni is going around sueing people who don't like him, especially when their words don't cause any noticeable harm to him and any legal accusation of "slander" would be thrown out immediately. He probably has people say this stuff on twitter/facebook all the time. I'm probably fairly tame when it comes down to it, if for no other reason then I just talk about it in conversation and don't try to go after people on social media.
You've completely crossed a line with this. i'm honestly curious to see if there is a Trekbbs rule about taking people's posts and spreading them offsite. If there is no rule specifically for that, it would probably still count as you harassing me. You've gone from arguing to threatening.
Well, I think the way you've been behaving has taken a Superman leap over a building in single bound over the line of appropriate behavior when you started insulting them personally, and I think it's made even worse by the fact that they aren't here to defend themselves. All I meant by what I posted was that I think they deserve a chance to defend themselves, and if you weren't going to give it to them, I would. And you posted the stuff on a public message where literally anybody in the world with an internet connection could see it. If this was stuff you said to me in private, I wouldn't have even considered sharing it with anyone else, but since it's public then it's fair game. Now, I didn't do it, and to be completely honest, I don't know if I actually would, which is why I said I'm tempted to, not that I will. It was more of an empty threat, and a way to make my disgust with your bullshit clear.
Disliking creative decisions a person made does not give you the right to personally insult them, at all. If they actually said or did something personal in an interview or something you didn't like then that wouldn't bother me as much, but that doesn't seem to be the case here. All you've talked about is the books and shows, I've never seen you mention anything they've done outside of their creative endeavors.
And that fucking First Amendment argument goes both ways, if you have the right to spout off bullshit, then I have to right to call you out on that bullshit, and the people you are saying bullshit about have the right to defend themselves.
I wouldn't go out of my way to say anything to Filoni. If I was magically in a room with him, and it was brought up, I'd say something. Nothing I say will change anything, and I don't believe in going after people personally. I have the right to my opinion, but the only way Filoni is going to hear it is if the planets align, we end up in a room together and someone (besides me) brings it up. Yelling criticism at someone does nothing. I have no desire to interact with him or anyone else directly involved in the shit.
I can say whatever the hell I want, its my opinion. If you don't think hundreds of people have badmouthed filoni on social media, and that I'm somehow the only person who really dislikes him and his work, you're very much mistaken. He doesn't have to know about every single person who dislikes him, unless he's some nut making a list of Star wars fans who don't like him (and that list would be huge even if only a very, very small percent of SW fans disliked him).
Also, I don't just call him an asshole because he does some bad work. I legitimately believe he is causing harm to the SW franchise, if not monetarily then creatively. That's being an asshole in my book. Its bizarre that people are so offended that someone is getting criticized. Unless you or JD are actually Filoni posting under a pseudonym, even considering posting random criticism of him in other places is completely mental.
It is also harassment to try to bring people down on someone for things they never said to that person. Even if specifically using posts from Trekbbs on other sites isn't against the rules, doing it that way is possibly harassment and I'd at least bring the mods in to see what they think if JD actually did that. In the end, he's trying to get someone after me for something I said on this forum, and not to them. That's very possibly harassment from one poster (JD) to another (Me).
Not that it really matters in terms of things happening. JD doesn't have a way to bring harassment to me on my social media (since, I will give this away, this is the only place I use "kirk55555") and even if Filoni decided that Filoni hater #4456F deserved a comment, especially enough to sign up to a forum for the specific purpose of doing that, I'd just ignore him. Its the hassle and bizarre idea behind doing that, and the attempt at harassment, that's pissing me off.
At the end of the day, I'm just a guy venting his frustration on a message board. Even if every post I said was sent directly to Filoni's brain, he wouldn't exactly be losing sleep over someone hating his work or thinking he's an asshole.
Sure the people you're talking about probably won't care, but they still deserve the right to defend themselves if they want to.
And I just want to make it clear that I would never take our issues on this site off of this site. Yes, if I actually did share what you were saying here with people like Dave Filoni, Jennifer Heddle, or Claudia Grey I would send it to their personal sites, but if they wanted to respond I would make sure they knew to do it here, or that they would be OK with me posting them here. My issues are with the things you say here, and even if I knew you on social media, I would never take our issues here over there.
Whatever. I seriously question how anyone over the age of 14 can read more then ten pages of Lost Stars without wanting to burn the damn thing, but that's how opinion works. There are people who'd rather watch grass grow then read a Star wars book at all.
Maybe some of us are simply more open minded than others.
Being a pro doesn't mean the person is good at what they do. Even if they are financially successful, they may still be pretty bad (see Michael Bay and Stephanie Meyer as relevant examples).
When it comes to directing TV shows or movies, and writing books I'd take the opinion of a Uwe Boll or Stephanie Meyer over some random person on an internet message board who doesn't have a single credit to their name. Even if they aren't good at it, they at least have experience with it, and know what it takes to make it.
You don't have to know someone to hate their work and hate how they've ruined some things you like.
Filoni wanted to steal him because a character with at least some recongnition, even if its just by big EU fans, is better then making up his own crappy character. Thrawn was only used because Filoni probably learned about him while browsing Wookipedia for stuff to steal, and decided he'll take someone else's much better work, remove everything but the superficial elements, and use it as a paintjob for the crap villain he was already planning.
Unsubstantiated speculation with no rationality behind it, beyond devotion to a baseless theory that doesn't fit the facts, skirting the edge of libel. Can we please get back to rationality here?
To be fair, there is absolutely no Thrawn in this book. There is only Filoni's original character that he stuck Thrawn's name and appearance on, so the title is technically true, but a lie in that the entire character is a lie. Also, if the title character isn't the viewpoint character, the book is a lie regardless of the fact that the real Thrawn doesn't appear in any new canon material whatsoever. But, since I don't want to read anything with Filoni's original character he calls Thrawn, the less of him the better it is. I can get through a book about a boring cadet easier then a book about Fake Thrawn.
There is no "fake Thawn" (only Zuul ). It's an adaptation from source material, no different from a Marvel movie or a book adaptation (Lord of the Rings and whatnot). That is the real character, as much as the Spider-Man movies featured the real Peter Parker, not a fake one.
(As far as the bolded goes: Wrong, absolutely wrong. Case in point, Kenobi, all the Sherlock Holmes stories, The Great Gatsby, Moby-Dick, etc. There enough legitimate ways to critique a book without making up false "flaws.")
The first few pages already explain the first spoiler. I know exactly why Thrawn was where he was and why he was doing what he was doing. the situation was clear, I just expected a bit more dignity, and a bit less
Flintstones when it comes to attire, now I'm just imaging Fake thrawn dressed like a caveman which just makes the whole first section hilarious. He has power generators and other supplies but dresses in animal skins, which makes absolutely no sense but is probably what Fake Thrawn deserves
There is more to that story than the opening chapter reveals (fact, not an opinion). Also, my pre-Disney reference book Essential Reader's Guide shows that Thawn's "caveman" setup you don't like was grandfathered from Legends, so if it's a problem, it's a problem with the source material. (Also, it all makes sense in the end. Read that, then decide how bad things are off.)
Well, its a good thing this is Fake Thrawn, because if real Thrawn had no inner monologue and only thought in inane observations (and did it constantly whenever he was in a scene) I doubt he'd be fondly remembered by anyone.
When it comes to directing TV shows or movies, and writing books I'd take the opinion of a Uwe Boll or Stephanie Meyer over some random person on an internet message board who doesn't have a single credit to their name. Even if they aren't good at it, they at least have experience with it, and know what it takes to make it.
Very much this point. I cannot stress this enough. Writers cannot ruin previously established works. If that were the case, then I couldn't enjoy the original novels of "The Phantom of the Opera" "Starship Troopers" "Dune" or "The Hobbit."
Some things I enjoy and others I do not. At no point in time will there be an emotional drive to wish ill will, harm or hostility towards that author. It's not worth the emotional energy.
I guess we need to have a word with all those Sherlock Holmes books and novels that use Watson as the viewpoint character, if that's the criteria for a book being lie then.
Ok, I'll give you that one. I should have thought of that, since I like Sherlock Holmes stories a lot. "Thrawn"'s cadet character is no Watson, but I guess you could argue they have similar roles.
There is more to that story than the opening chapter reveals (fact, not an opinion). Also, my pre-Disney reference book Essential Reader's Guide shows that Thawn's "caveman" setup you don't like was grandfathered from Legends, so if it's a problem, it's a problem with the source material. (Also, it all makes sense in the end. Read that, then decide how bad things are off.)
If you can show me the page in the only canon EU Thrawn appearances (Thrawn Trilogy and Outbound Flight, not counting clone Thrawn) where he was dressed like that, I'd still call it stupid but I'd admit it was old stupidity. I know there is none of that in those books, though, and an "Essential reader's Guide", if it exists, doesn't count.
I read the last few pages right when I got the book because I don't care about spoiling it, I probably won't get to the end anyway, and
all I got is that Pryce threatens Thrawn into working with her (so Fake Thrawn is an easily manipulated wimp, making Pryce basically his Master in Rebels, i'd be offended if this was the real thrawn and not Filoni's original character) and the Cadet goes and joins the Chiss, which is related to things that happened in the EU with some imperials, like Baron Fel, joining the Chiss.
When it comes to directing TV shows or movies, and writing books I'd take the opinion of a Uwe Boll or Stephanie Meyer over some random person on an internet message board who doesn't have a single credit to their name. Even if they aren't good at it, they at least have experience with it, and know what it takes to make it.
When it comes to the technical skills, maybe. They can, admittedly, produce the things they work on. Bay can make movies that people can watch, and Meyer can write books that can be read. But when it comes to telling a good story, or deciding if a story is good or not? They have no authority on that, or have anything above the average person in deciding what is or isn't good.
When I don't feel its deliberate or the work of complete incompetence, maybe. I don't hate Lucas, even though I think he didn't do one good thing from around 1989 until he sold the SW franchise (outside of usually letting the EU do its own thing, except for a few catastrophic cases like the mandalorians and his rumored dislike of Wookie Jedi). But with him it felt like he cared, but just didn't have the ability to tell a good story at that point (and didn't have the people who worked on the OT to help and reign him in anymore).. Filoni just steals other peoples work (legally obviously, but its still not his) makes it worse and shoves it out. I never felt like Lucas was doing that. He had terrible ideas executed very badly, but they were his and he at least thought he was doing something good. Lucas I'd say is incompetent but not mean spirited or lazy.
Filoni, either from laziness or gigantic ego, takes stuff he doesn't understand or doesn't care to do right and does it terribly, and at this point that includes stuff he actually created. People like that, I can easily hate. It feels a bit vindictive, but I honestly don't know if he did Thrawn badly from a complete lack of understanding, laziness or just to do it. Same with things like Ahsoka in rebels and the general complete lack of quality of Rebels in general. I'm betting its a combination of laziness, incompetence and ego, and that does piss me off.
If you don't like what I say, quite frankly I don't care at all at this point. I'd have stopped talking about this pages ago if you hadn't escalated the conversation to a bizarrely intense argument. Filoni is an ass and when he eventually leaves or retires it will be a new dawn for the SW franchise. Until then, at least even he can't mess up the movies too badly (outside of some lame but pointless cameos). Losing SW TV completely and most books is hard, but there is still a lot of the franchise free of him so far.
I apologize if this was mentioned in the long multi-quote argument I have scrolled past out of boredom, but I am personally gratified that Thrawn was made a canonical character, AND that Zahn got a chance to write him a proper backstory, AND make the Chiss part of canon, AND make Captain Parck a part of the canon, and so forth.
Zahn could write a thousand terrible novels from now until the end of time, and I would still love him, because I personally think he saved Star Wars. His novels showed there was a TREMENDOUS pent-up market for Star Wars material, and Lucas noticed. Had the original Zahn trilogy been a flop, we may never have seen the prequels and the sequels...and that would have been a loss beyond calculation.
As for Dave Filoni, he has made great choices and bad choices, but as a whole he has been responsible for some amazing stories that I thoroughly enjoyed.
If you don't like what I say, quite frankly I don't care at all at this point. I'd have stopped talking about this pages ago if you hadn't escalated the conversation to a bizarrely intense argument. Filoni is an ass and when he eventually leaves or retires it will be a new dawn for the SW franchise. Until then, at least even he can't mess up the movies too badly (outside of some lame but pointless cameos). Losing SW TV completely and most books is hard, but there is still a lot of the franchise free of him so far.
If you can show me the page in the only canon EU Thrawn appearances (Thrawn Trilogy and Outbound Flight, not counting clone Thrawn) where he was dressed like that, I'd still call it stupid but I'd admit it was old stupidity. I know there is none of that in those books, though, and an "Essential reader's Guide", if it exists, doesn't count.
Filoni, either from laziness or gigantic ego, takes stuff he doesn't understand or doesn't care to do right and does it terribly, and at this point that includes stuff he actually created. People like that, I can easily hate. It feels a bit vindictive, but I honestly don't know if he did Thrawn badly from a complete lack of understanding, laziness or just to do it. Same with things like Ahsoka in rebels and the general complete lack of quality of Rebels in general. I'm betting its a combination of laziness, incompetence and ego, and that does piss me off.
If you don't like what I say, quite frankly I don't care at all at this point. I'd have stopped talking about this pages ago if you hadn't escalated the conversation to a bizarrely intense argument. Filoni is an ass and when he eventually leaves or retires it will be a new dawn for the SW franchise. Until then, at least even he can't mess up the movies too badly (outside of some lame but pointless cameos). Losing SW TV completely and most books is hard, but there is still a lot of the franchise free of him so far.
I just don't see how there is enough information out there to make that kind of conclusion. I may not like Bay's work, but he can make it work and make money from it. Filoni isn't just free to do whatever, like Lucas was. There are constraints and limits, some we might not know about, that must be operated under.
And I'm not just taking Filoni's word for it. All the different interviews (official and less so) indicate that he cares about the Star Wars franchise and the impact the stories will have on it.
Regardless, hating him would do nothing for me, so I'm not sure what is gained.
Filoni is an ass and when he eventually leaves or retires it will be a new dawn for the SW franchise. Until then, at least even he can't mess up the movies too badly (outside of some lame but pointless cameos). Losing SW TV completely and most books is hard, but there is still a lot of the franchise free of him so far.
That's certainly your justification. I imagine it must be hard to defend hacks you've never met on the internet. Even if it was just Filoni, that would literally be a full time job.
Its not in my copy (the original hardcover edition). Even if its in the paperback or a reprinting, at most that just means Zahn had a stupid idea back when he was writing his own books.
Anyway, on the topic of the book called "Thrawn", I've gotten past the first Pryce section and its so boring and pointless I can just see Filoni standing over Zahn's shoulder telling him what to write. I refuse to believe that even people who like the Rebels version of thrawn really wanted to know the history of Pryce. She's so irrelevant to anything its painful, and I'm pretty sure her backstory is one of the most overused ones around, at least when it comes to her motivations. I get that
The book is going to end with her holding Thrawn's leash and basically making him her servant for vaguely comprehensible reasons
but she's just boring. Worse then the Cadet. "Thrawn" himself is still just a blank slate. He hasn't done anything particularly Thrawn like, outside of outwitting some people in a way a lot of different SW characters could have done. He mostly just annoys me with those pointless observations that infect his scenes and clog the text up.
So I've now finished up THRAWN. I loved this book. Such a great look at Thrawn, at his motivations, and at how he views the Empire, his place in it, and those who serve under his command. I especially liked how Zahn explored Thrawn's take on the Empire's tyranny, and the evil that underlies it, and why he serves in spite of it.
I also really enjoyed Eli's journey. He was very much Watson, in some respects. But watching Thrawn bring out the best from someone who had no great ambitions or goals, but was capable of great achievement was interesting to see.
The only thing I found kind of disappointing was the antagonist, Nightswan. He started off as kind of a Moriarty figure, but then just kind of fizzled into a faceless rebel. I get what Zahn was going for, and I enjoyed that it let him get to what drives Thrawn and his service to the Empire, but it was less compelling than it perhaps could have been. Oh well, still an excellent ride. And it definitely could sync up with Legends material just as easily as Rebels and the new canon.
Edit: Also, in regards to the opening chapter, which was fantastic, I hadn't realized that it was an adaptation of previous Zahn material. It's awesome that he was able to use it for the new canon origin. And to KirkFives, who I'm certain is the one causing the ruckus even though I can't see his posts, there is more happening in that scene than the first look at it lets on, and it really helps nail down my favorite part of novel, Thrawn's motivation.
If you can show me the page in the only canon EU Thrawn appearances (Thrawn Trilogy and Outbound Flight, not counting clone Thrawn) where he was dressed like that, I'd still call it stupid but I'd admit it was old stupidity.
"Mist Encounter," by Timothy Zahn. Short story written for the seventh installment of the Star Wars Adventure Journal in 1995, reprinted in the paperback edition of Outbound Flight (also by Zahn) and remade as the opening chapter of Thawn.
It exists all right. I've got a copy on my shelf (see here). The illustration in question can be seen here. As an official licensed reference book, there's no reason to discount it, esp. when it's presenting info from an actual Legends source.
I read the last few pages right when I got the book because I don't care about spoiling it, I probably won't get to the end anyway, and
all I got is that Pryce threatens Thrawn into working with her (so Fake Thrawn is an easily manipulated wimp, making Pryce basically his Master in Rebels, i'd be offended if this was the real thrawn and not Filoni's original character) and the Cadet goes and joins the Chiss, which is related to things that happened in the EU with some imperials, like Baron Fel, joining the Chiss.
Anyway, on the topic of the book called "Thrawn", I've gotten past the first Pryce section and its so boring and pointless I can just see Filoni standing over Zahn's shoulder telling him what to write. I refuse to believe that even people who like the Rebels version of thrawn really wanted to know the history of Pryce. She's so irrelevant to anything its painful, and I'm pretty sure her backstory is one of the most overused ones around, at least when it comes to her motivations.
That's certainly your justification. I imagine it must be hard to defend hacks you've never met on the internet. Even if it was just Filoni, that would literally be a full time job.
It's not hard at all, they haven't done anything to deserve the bullshit personal attacks you keep launching against the. I go to IGN, CBR, Io9, and Tor.com and you are literally the who I have actually seen take their dislike to the level of actually attacking them on a personal level. Hell, I can't even recall seeing anyone who dislikes them on a purely creative level as much as you do.
"Mist Encounter," by Timothy Zahn. Short story written for the seventh installment of the Star Wars Adventure Journal in 1995, reprinted in the paperback edition of Outbound Flight (also by Zahn) and remade as the opening chapter of Thawn.
Well, SW Adventure Journel isn't canon, but I can't argue the reprint. But, as much as I love it, the EU isn't perfect. And Zahn is obviously capable of writing terrible garbage. So, I guess Caveman thrawn is technically canon, but somehow I doubt I'll bother to take it or the story into account when thinking of thrawn.
I just looked at it. That isn't even a twist. That's trying to make people believe the character is Thrawn by making him some magic strategy fairy.
That is the single stupidest plan any version of thrawn has made. Its fine if people like it, but if so they're no longer allowed to talk shit about the real Thrawn being too good at deduction/planning. Also, I like how his motivation makes a lot less sense now and he's also much stupider about how the universe works. His whole philosophy is bullshit. I prefer him joining the Empire because of the Vong. It makes more sense, and he doesn't try to put some kind of idiotic morality to it. He knows the Empire is evil, he just doesn't care. He wants to defeat invaders, he was under no illusions of what the Empire was, because it didn't matter.
To be clear, the Vong connection for him (and Palpatine) wasn't great. But at least he didn't spout crap about how dictators are the only way to peace or have some BS story about a fake exile. I can't even blame this on Filoni, because while this is stupid its way too complex stupidity for Filoni.
This actually enhances every criticism I've had about Fake thrawn when it comes to his effectiveness. If he is capable of that, then Ezra and crew should have been dead a week after he looked their direction. There is no way someone with these basically magic powers of planning can't defeat the entire Rebellion in a day. Hell, he could probably make a plan that somehow convinces Ezra to skin Kanan alive and Kanan to agree its the best course of action with how unbelievable that whole plan in the book is.
I knew Fake Thrawn the book would suck, but this is not the kind of suck I expected. I will probably finish it now. I have to see how Magical Fairy thrawn gets to that point. I'm assuming its some convoluted plan that includes the price of food at Mos Eisley, a group of Jawas riding Wookies and the number of times a Gungan can burp in 30 seconds.
The Adventure Journals were considered canon (to Legends); they were part of the West End Games RPG, which was indeed canon. In fact, when Zahn was first tasked to write the original Thrawn novels, he was sent copies of the RPG books and told to make his novels consistent with the material there.
(What is it with you declaring canon material non-canon when you don't like it?)
But, as much as I love it, the EU isn't perfect. And Zahn is obviously capable of writing terrible garbage. So, I guess Caveman thrawn is technically canon, but somehow I doubt I'll bother to take it or the story into account when thinking of thrawn.
I just looked at it. That isn't even a twist. That's trying to make people believe the character is Thrawn by making him some magic strategy fairy.
That is the single stupidest plan any version of thrawn has made. Its fine if people like it, but if so they're no longer allowed to talk shit about the real Thrawn being too good at deduction/planning. Also, I like how his motivation makes a lot less sense now and he's also much stupider about how the universe works. His whole philosophy is bullshit. I prefer him joining the Empire because of the Vong. It makes more sense, and he doesn't try to put some kind of idiotic morality to it. He knows the Empire is evil, he just doesn't care. He wants to defeat invaders, he was under no illusions of what the Empire was, because it didn't matter.
To be clear, the Vong connection for him (and Palpatine) wasn't great. But at least he didn't spout crap about how dictators are the only way to peace or have some BS story about a fake exile. I can't even blame this on Filoni, because while this is stupid its way too complex stupidity for Filoni.
This actually enhances every criticism I've had about Fake thrawn when it comes to his effectiveness. If he is capable of that, then Ezra and crew should have been dead a week after he looked their direction. There is no way someone with these basically magic powers of planning can't defeat the entire Rebellion in a day. Hell, he could probably make a plan that somehow convinces Ezra to skin Kanan alive and Kanan to agree its the best course of action with how unbelievable that whole plan in the book is.
I knew Fake Thrawn the book would suck, but this is not the kind of suck I expected. I will probably finish it now. I have to see how Magical Fairy thrawn gets to that point. I'm assuming its some convoluted plan that includes the price of food at Mos Eisley, a group of Jawas riding Wookies and the number of times a Gungan can burp in 30 seconds.
Wow, you really didn't like it. Okay, fair enough. I do have the suspicion that you got so worked up about the novel that there's probably no way that you would've liked it, regardless of how well-written it was. But it is what it is.
I also find it funny that the things you don't like about canon Thrawn were also there in Legends from the get go, yet you like them there. Whatever. (But, hey I never liked the Vong connection in the first place, so what do I know?)
Why hasn't Kirk been banned or warned yet? I'm sure he's violated some sort of fourm rule.
At the beginning I thought he was trolling but he's too god damn dedicated
You people who keep responding to him. STOP. You're going in circles and clogging up the thread with pointless bickering. You're not going to change his mind.
). It's an adaptation from source material, no different from a Marvel movie or a book adaptation (Lord of the Rings and whatnot). That is the real character, as much as the Spider-Man movies featured the real Peter Parker, not a fake one.
