Star Wars Books Thread
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In the words of Gimli: "Bring your pretty face to my axe!"
I'm right.
Just keep on telling yourself that...
Then sir you simply have a wrong or uninformed opinion.
I don't have to tell myself anything, I've read the NJO and have seen the OT.
Your just upset because people have discovered the OT isn't the be all end all of Star Wars.
You know, I prefer the old EU as a whole to the OT (I consider the old EU the thing that made me an outright fan of SW, even though I really enjoy the OT). There are many EU stories I'd consider superior to the OT (like the Thrawn trilogy). I also like NJO, generally speaking (except for the stuff with jacen Solo). But the NJO was not better then the OT. Not one part of it. I thought it was generally good, and sometimes very good, but better then the OT? No.
But, you can have your opinion. the problem is saying people are stupid, evil, etc if they don't agree with you about the NJO. That's ridiculous, and an uncalled for level of aggression in my opinion.
But, you can have your opinion. the problem is saying people are stupid, evil, etc if they don't agree with you about the NJO. That's ridiculous, and an uncalled for level of aggression in my opinion.
Jacen is the star and center of the NJO how could you like the NJO and not Jacen?
He's not the center. there are a lot of plot points, everything from the actual villains to Kyp Durron being an ass/the Jedi's problems to Han's problems after chewie's death and more. The NJO turned Jacen into my most hated SW character, with all the vergere crap. I consider Traitor the single worst Star Wars book ever written. But, even with that I don't consider him enough of a focus of NJO to ruin the storyline for me. He was one (bad) part of a story that had a lot going on.
Okay you and I have diametrically opposed opinions on Traitor-for me it is the absolute best piece of Star Wars put to pen no exceptions, Vergere one of the best mentors/mysterious guides and Jacen's journey of a philosophically inclined young man who struggles with his way retreats into pacifism, makes mistakes, faces capture then achieves Nirvana and in the process making peace with a species that didn't have a word in their language for peace.
That's the thematic heart of the NJO.
That's the thematic heart of the NJO.
You're about as right as Vergere.
We don't always agree, but on this point, we agree
I never got to Traitor. I think the last set of novels I got from that series were those immediately before that, just after Coruscant falls. By that point there were too many novels coming out, mixed with getting better Internet speeds and working limited my ability and willingness to read novels as much as I had during my years in school, even through college I was reading novels, but after that I had less regular time off I suppose. I image I have enough time these days, but after 15 years the Internet calls.....
I read and saw both, and frankly, the NJO, in my assessment, falls considerably short of the movies, much less quite a few of the other novels written before it and since it came out. I couldn't get that much of an emotional connection with it; which I think is partially due to the huge scope of everything and partially that some of the writers didn't work for me.
The movies (all of them) are always going to be more important that the tie ins, and I'm saying this as a guy who loves collecting Star Wars novels and is enjoying the new "all is canon" policy; it's a movie franchise first and foremost.
Never read Traitor, but of the books I've read, I think John Jackon Miller's Kenobi is the best one to date. (I did read some of Stover's other Star Wars books and didn't really find the writing style very enjoyable. The only one I really liked was Shatterpoint, and even that one isn't one I'm really clamoring to re-read.)
What didn't you like about NJO Jacen? (Personally, he was always a character I could take or leave; either just another young Jedi character or a kinda lame Kylo Ren-like character before TFA came and made one that was actually good.)
A.) Vergere was a Sith (or would-be Sith), B.) didn't she preach moral relativism, and C.) didn't she outright tell Jacen she was a liar and would only give him lies?
Troy Denning retconned her into one because he either didn't like or couldn't grasp Traitor.
Oh and to say Kylo is better than Jacen is like saying Doghide is better than Gallagher's Steak.
Its a truly ridiculous and stupid opinion.
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The NJO books are very special to me, they're my Plan B should I ever run out of toilet paper.
Really people who hate the NJO are some of the most crass, stupid, deluded, arrogant, and downright sinister percentage of the human race.
It is that GOOD and they are that BAD!!!
It is that GOOD and they are that BAD!!!
NJO is the "Saved By The Bell: The New Class" of the Star Wars Universe. Except Dustin Diamond would probably turn down a role in NJO.
Traitor isn't some complex thing that people are too stupid to grasp. Its portrayal of the Force and the Jedi is incompatible with Lucas' version.
And it's probably a really really tiny percentage of the entire planets population and it feels like your comparing NJO with one of the actual greats of literature, which is a very interesting viewpoint to take youngling.
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