Like I said, they "count" as far as Lucasfilm not letting the real Novels specifically go against them but that doesn't make them legitimate compared to the GA books.
The YA
Star Wars novels are as real as the GA stuff. That's how it's always worked, from Legends to now. In fact the current YA stuff (and the
Star Wars books in general) actually have claim to being more real and the GA Legends stuff was back in the day.
They're still badly done fluff...
Empirical research on my part leads me to disagree with your opinion.
and, outside of ruining opportunities for stories to be told in the real books, will never be important to the new canon, anymore then the books for 5 year olds are.
So, the fact that they're treated as equally important by the people making this stuff (the ones who decide what's important and what's not) means nothing?
We're still getting less GA books and more YA (and by that I mean the Twilight style YA, not lumping little kids books in that category) then we did in the old EU.
A.) There have been no Twilight
Star Wars books yet (I know, I've been reading them). B.) Is there a correlation between the shift? Remember, Del Rey doesn't do YA, so the YA stuff by by LucasFilm Press can't be taking slots away from the Del Rey stuff, any more than McDonald's adding more chicken sandwiches to their menu means that they make fewer Big Macs.
Everyone has the right to decide whether a SW book or category of books is legitimate to them.
That's "personal canon." I don't think we're talking about that here, correct?
Based on how they hold back the GA books from doing any story even slightly important...
Let's see,
Catalyst was GA, as was
Dark Disciple,
Tarkin, and
A New Dawn. Bear in mind, only two new movies have been released so far. There hasn't been much of a chance to tell important stories yet.
...and the fact that they hire a bunch of mediocre writers like Grey and Wendig...
I kind of agree with Windig, but I read both of Grey's
Star Wars stuff and she's easily a good writer in this series, IMHO. They've also hired a lot of good writers; John Jackson Miller (
A New Dawn), James Lucino (
Tarkin,
Catalyst), Paul S. Kemp (
Dark Lords of the Sith), Alexander Freed (
Rogue One novelization), Michael Kogge (written a lot of the junior novelizations, which are a lot better written than most books in this genre are), and Timothy Zahn (
Thrawn). They easily outnumber the weaker writers to date.
...they obviously don't see the real SW books as something to put any effort into.
I beg to differ. As pointed out above, they're hiring a lot of good writers. The quality of Del Rey's books is pretty steady and, on average, equal or better than Legend's good and best stuff.
Not that any effort gets put into the YA stuff...
Now, how do we know that?
...but they obviously thing cutting down on GA books and churning out YA stuff is where the money is, not telling good stories with the normal books and making money that way.
They are telling good stories from what I've seen across the board.
The story group only exists to make sure the books don't contradict the movies. That is all they do, and if they cared about anything else then, for example, rebels would be a comletely different (aka higher quality) show, among many other things.
As an animation fan, I can tell you that
Rebels is easily one of the best in the business.
The only quality comes from the writers that can fight through the mediocrity.
Such as?
As for the new canon, its terribly constructed. Actually, that's too generous, because its not constructed.
Um, no. From following the stuff, I've seen a lot of interlocking between unrelated stories. The groundwork has been well set. Consistency is at a high. This is a more internally consistent canon than we got with Legends, and so far, as more consistency in quality (IMHO).
I don't have to eat excrement to know it tastes awful. Same goes with reading YA books.
To use your analogy, you're refusing to even see if what you're calling excrement is, in fact, excrement.
All they did was put in a few cameos to appease the few people watching Rebels. No backstory was worked into anything. Take out the 10 seconds of Rebels cameos and all they have is an obscure character from the good Star Wars cartoon to connect RO to anything but the movies.
But, the fact that the movie is supporting a "lower" piece of canon is a new thing for the franchise. It's finally acting as one mega story across the board.
If its about YA, my opinion is accurate. For me, at least. Like I've said, no one has to agree, but my opinion on YA is definitely not wrong.
True, but you're presenting it as fact, not opinion.
Bloodlines is an example of a bad GA book..
So, you did read it, huh?
...and being written by a woman who has written nothing but YA romances before it almost makes it an honorary YA book, to the point where it might be the exception to my "any GA book is better then a YA book" rule.
Since
Bloodlines is not a romance, YA or otherwise, that makes no sense to me.
Your right, yA doesn't only equal Twilight. It also sometimes equals "Hunger Games".
"Hunger Games" is it's own genre, too. YA transcends specific genres, since it is not a genre in and of itself, anymore than live action is a movie genre, but a style of movie creation used to make films in various genres.
You having read it and me not having read it doesn't matter, its completely irrelevant to my opinion on the garbage YA stuff like Ahsoka.
Not really. You're making a declarative statement, a judgement. That needs proof to back it up, which means examining the book in question. You won't provide any, and when I, who have first-hand proof, say that I think you're mistaken, you repeat your first opinion, effectively saying that I am wrong. That is intellectually dishonest, so I can say with accuracy that you are mistaken here.
A book which, to be fair, would have been terrible as a GA book because of how Filoni ruined the character post TCW, but made even worse by adding YA junk to it.
Ahsoka takes place within a couple years of TCW (it's set right after Order 66), so I found it skewed closest to the TCW-era of the character. For what it's worth, the author, E. K. Johnston, loved the Ahsoka character, so it was written by someone with a personal interest in doing right by the character
If it was written after TCW series ended, then its not written like TCW era.
I didn't think so, but I only read the darn thing. What do I know compared to you, who never read it and is only judging it by the section in the bookstore that it's sold?
Nope. "Angsty teen drama" is literally a synonym for YA. Its just one of the ways to describe all YA books.
You are factually wrong. I should know. I read a lot. I specifically minored in writing as part of my college education. I like examining books, commentary on fiction, author's comments in regards to their writing. I know what I'm taking about here.
I don't think that the Star Wars version of Twilight dodged any bullet. Its the most standard YA SW book, and its the Twilight variety.
Wrong, it's not a
Twilight-style book.
At least the Hunger Games rip offs are somewhat less terrible. Still trash, but anything is better then straight up twilight romance garbage.
I only read the original
Hunger Games novel. I thought it was okay, but not the icon it's become.
Clauia Grey has literally written nothing but blatant Twilight clones, and then SW Bloodlines. That is her whole career, and I have her own website to back that up.
I'm not talking about her other stuff, I'm taking about her
Star Wars stuff and they are not Twilight-like books. That's a fact, just like it's a fact that
Spider-Man is a superhero movie.
I'll just watch the movie.
Your call, but you're missing out on a really great book. (It reads like a regular novel, not a novelization, if that makes any sense. We get into Jyn's head a lot which really adds a lot of meaning to the movie. Her relationship with her father is really well done.)
Yeah, and a lot worse. But, I said "resembled", not an exact match.
I actually think the
Rebels eyes looked better. They seemed more realistic, and so make his expressions seem more real. I will concede that I think the bluer Legends look was slightly better, but I thought it was a good translation, personally.
Well, they obviously don't care or put any effort into Rebels, and even if they hypothetically were putting 100% into it then that would probably make them the most incompetent people to have ever worked on a Star wars project, and I'm including prequel era george lucas and the people who made the Star Wars Holiday Special in that statement.
Aren't there rules against libel here?
You mean literally the worst released X-Men cartoon that isn't Pryde of the X-Men?
Ouch. Did you see it? I will concede the first couple seasons were rough, but it found its feet. They had decent characterizations overall, did Apocalypse quite well, and was the first time that the Sentinels were actually a threat (this was before
Days of Future Past did good Sentinels on the big screen).
The show that I'm pretty sure even the people who created it forgot 5 seconds after it ended and really made no impact on anything?
Wrong.
Evolution is arguably the most influential
X-Men cartoon to date; the character X-23/Laura Kinney was an original character created specifically for this show. She was brought into the comics (basically utilizing an expanded version of her cartoon backstory), and has starred in her own ongoing series (including one right now) and will be appearing in the next
X-Men movie,
Logan, as one of the leads.
My opnion on this can't be wrong, at least not for me. Star Wars YA is fluff and garbage. You don't have to agree, but that doesn't make me wrong.
Why do you present them as facts, then?
I got that you were joking, it just happened to be a joke that's probably a bit too real (unintentionally). I didn't bother to read the blurb, but I'm sure there is a lot of YA junk they can stick in to whatever premise they set up.
The blurb:
When Jyn Erso was five years old, her mother was murdered and her father taken from her to serve the Empire. But despite the loss of her parents she is not completely alone—Saw Gerrera, a man willing to go to any extremes necessary in order to resist Imperial tyranny, takes her in as his own, and gives her not only a home but all the abilities and resources she needs to become a rebel herself.
Jyn dedicates herself to the cause—and the man. But fighting alongside Saw and his people brings with it danger and the question of just how far Jyn is willing to go as one of Saw’s soldiers. When she faces an unthinkable betrayal that shatters her world, Jyn will have to pull the pieces of herself back together and figure out what she truly believes in…and who she can really trust.
Doesn't sound much like my joke story.
Then it was a "Hunger games" type YA with the romance less of a focus, but teen angst is teen angst.
It wasn't a
Hunger Games-type story. Myth double busted.
Nope. A YA book can't star the character from Rogue One, because she's not a YA protagonist. They'll have the same name and physical appearance, but in the end the book will just be either Bella or Jennifer Lawrence, or slight variations of them, when it comes to characterization.
"So sure are you? Always with you, it cannot be done."
Well, the books "Jyn" will inevitably be like a character from either Hunger Games or twilight, which one it is doesn't really matter at this point.
It matters to me. I did read the sample chapters posted online and so far, she's herself.
SW is a general audiences franchise.
General means everyone, which encompasses YA, GA, what have you. It can do both. It doesn't need to limit itself to one.
The GA books aren't adult targeted, they're aimed at a general audience but not written for kids or teens.
Sure sounds like an adult-targeted book to me. (I read a lot of GA
Star Wars books in my teens. They are essentially the same as most YA books I've read, just a different size. The same's true today, from what I've read.)
As for Jyn, its a YA book. she either has a boyfriend or, if the book is progressive enough, a girlfriend or something along those lines. The only thing different will be if her significant other is an alien or not.
The
Star Wars website said this about the novel when announcing it:
Rebel Rising, a young adult novel from New York Times Bestselling author Beth Revis, will dive into Jyn’s backstory, exploring her time with the extremist rebel Saw Gerrera and how it shaped the woman she’d become. Rogue One hinted at the once-close relationship between Saw and Jyn, which was ultimately fractured. Rebel Rising promises to be our first real look into what happened between the two, good times and bad.
Doesn't look like the odds are in your favor.
The horror! You have opened my eyes to this terrible injustice! The very idea we could have new Star Wars movies, and TV shows! And that someone would put them on a pedestal over novels that are confirmed to only be read by 1% of the fandom. It's ghastly!
