Star treks cbs / paramount license
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Are you referring to Captain Kork?
Jamee Kork? Yes I am. Captain of the USS Entrepreneurial Activity with his loyal first officer Spork and Dr. Maccoy.
Not sure how we are getting "lied and cheated" when CBS nor Paramount are under no obligation to make Star Trek anyway...
How exactly are they lying to us? How are we being cheated?
Not sure how we are getting "lied and cheated" when CBS nor Paramount are under no obligation to make Star Trek anyway...
How exactly are they lying to us? How are we being cheated?
Good question lol
If I got it right, their theory is that the prime timeline was invented by jj&Co so even when someone says the new series is in that timeline (eg Discovery) it doesn't mean it is 'canon' (I suppose they mean 'valid trek') and therefore a sequel or prequel of tos, but it still is fake trek, lol
Of course no one used the expression 'prime timeline' to refer to tos prior the 2009 movie. Guess why since that movie introduced the concept there is a parallel reality to it so calling tos&co 'prime' is just a convenient way to diversify the two that we didn't need before when there was only one reality (saved for the mirror verse). Like, duh?
And of course neither the characters from discovery nor other shows set into the prime timeline are going to talk about the fact they are in the tos reality. That unless the characters know, like the kelvin timeline ones, that another reality exists.
The "25% different" business also is a stretch because it is only natural that new trek shows and movies are going to look different and not like tos regardless. That's just natural UPGRADING. They are making these things in 2019 not the 60s, of course they are going to reflect our time and thus nowadays technology and even writing style. Costumes, alien make up, sets...everything has to be different unless you are purposely making something that looks outdated and 'vintage'.
This is a pervasive mindset among trek purists as some call them, though. Even Frakes recently fell into this trap when he preached about Discovery being visually as pretty as JJ's trek is but it embraces canon in a more valid way (= it's more valid) than the kelvin movies just because they put a prime trek label on it and they say that it is about the original timeline. Doesn't compute that new trek iterations are some sort of reboot too, regardless. It's inevitable.
And frankly, retroactively changing tos Spock's story isn't more acceptable or valid than jj&co developing a Spock whose story is different because he exists into another reality. In both cases, you could say that anything outside of tos is a new narrative universe, the difference being that the movies write that into the narrative and make it an important aspect of the story.
Truth is, everything is canon including the most recent movies. If they make more, they are canon. If the new series was set in the kelvin timeline, it would still be canon. If anything, we are simply lucky enough to have, now, not one universe but two that writers can ALWAYS use to tell new stories. And if discovery were to get revealed as another reality, it would still be canon in the trek franchise.
In short, I too don't get what they mean when they say we are being lied to. If they are suggesting that the movies and the show aren't really canon they are wrong.
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That's what they want you to believe.
Midnight's Edge = Star Trek Flat Earthers
I thought this had been debunked?
I think it's creative legal reasons. They chose to make it look different, to have it as a seperate license and thus everything in that license has to look a little different. I.E. the Discovery USS Enterprise is a seperate legal entity to the classic version, and it's a Disco licence someone needs to make a model of it and not a TOS one. ME and friends have turned this into a Flat Earth-style conspiracy about "real" Star Trek.
The endless novels, comics and merch featuring the classic design makes it pretty clear CBS owns it.
CBS released a statement saying they owned the original design, not specifically saying that John Eaves was wrong.
I'll never get it, though. If I dislike a show, I stop watching it and wish its fans all the best. How does it benefit me to discredit something I don't like? Hatred blinds people so badly, they believe these bullshit conspiracy theories because they want to believe them. It's nothing but wishing harm onto others, in reality, and it utterly baffles me.
For instance, SFDebris doesn't like ENT, and his reviews are usually scathing - but he's not hateful, and I actually enjoy his analyses even if I disagree with them. Why can't they all be like that?
I have an easier time discussing with Flat Earthers.
I think it's just a vague guideline to define something as legally distinct. I guess the closest we've come to seeing anything like that in action is the Axanar lawsuit, where Paramount/CBS were pointing out the reuses of their ship designs and the similarity between the Axanar lead ship and their own USS Reliant, USS titan and others.
I like to think it's an internal idea that may have been misconstrued by Eaves (I think that's where it comes from) as a legal one. The idea that everything matches the Discovery era, but not copy-and-pasted from previous movies and shows.
25%, mathematically, means when you take a preexisting design, you redesign it only a quarter different, so it's still recognizably the old design, but fits in this era.
I hate math.
Weird you omit the second half of my post which makes it clear it is a gag.
See as long as Spock always wears his Spock helmet his head is at least 25% bigger and therefore 25% different.
Highly logical.
Reading comprehension for the win?
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