Star Trek VI:tUDC What did Kirk know about the conspiracy?

[cgervasi]

In Star Trek VI, when Kirk is jailed he tell McCoy they must escape, not for their sake but the galaxy's sake. "You and I are nothing," he says. He seems to be saying he's worked out there's a conspiracy to do something to disrupt the peace conference. He has two pieces of evidence for this:

• During sentencing the judge mentioned "the upcoming peace conference".
• A fellow inmate said there are rumors that there's a reward for killing Kirk and McCoy.

There's also the fact that Kirk and McCoy know they're innocent of any involvement with the assassination. They said this at their public trial, so everyone knows they claim to have had no involvement.

The only piece of information Kirk has is that some inmate told him "someone up there" wants him dead. Even if Kirk got proof off-screen that someone was trying to kill him, it wouldn't prove anything. Given Kirk's high profile role in interstellar events, it's not surprising that someone connected to a Klingon prison wants him dead.

All of this is before the public mind rape scene in which Valeris reveals actual facts about the conspiracy, i.e. names of high-ranking conspirators and the fact that the new Bird of Prey exists and that they only have one of them. The mind rape wasn't immediately useful, anyway, because they already suspected a conspiracy and a ship that could fire while cloaked.

So what's Kirk talking about? Does Kirk actually know something more about the conspiracy? Is he just trying to be a hero and say he doesn't care about saving himself but rather saving the galaxy? Does he just think his abilities are so freaking amazing that the galaxy needs him b/c no one else is going to see the need to protect Khitomer?

 

[Grant]

He felt it was obvious that there was a conspiracy and that they wouldn't just be happy with him in jail.

He figured whoever had connived to frame him would make sure that there were no successful peace talks.

I thought it was kind of self-explanatory.

 

[Melakon]

Kirk was just doing his usual thing of anticipating what was happening just by filling in the blanks through deduction. He probably would have figured it out sooner if Spock had been with him instead of McCoy.

 

[Grant]

Kirk was just doing his usual thing of anticipating what was happening just by filling in the blanks through deduction. He probably would have figured it out sooner if Spock had been with him instead of McCoy.

Thank you.

1. A peace-maker was assassinated
2. He (Kirk)didn't do it
3. The peace conference is back on
4. whoever killed Gorkon won't stop now.

You don't really need to be a genius.

 

[RyanKCR]

There was also the fact that his log was used against him at the trial. Only one person knew of the log entry at that point.

 

[R. Star]

There was also the fact that his log was used against him at the trial. Only one person knew of the log entry at that point.

If he had put that together in prison he'd have arrested Valeris the moment he got back on board the ship instead of going through the whole Scooby Doo mystery bit. It wasn't until after they proved she was the traitor that he deduced that.

 

[Kronos]

I've always thought he was onto her but wasn't 100 percent sure, his "I had a thought about that" after Spock told him that the assassins were aboard has always struck me as being about her.

 

[RyanKCR]

I've always thought he was onto her but wasn't 100 percent sure, his "I had a thought about that" after Spock told him that the assassins were aboard has always struck me as being about her.

Which is what I thought and the trap was to get her caught in the act. He mentions his log to her about part of the proof he has about the conspiracy.

 

[cgervasi]

You don't really need to be a genius.

Exactly my point! He tells McCoy "you and I are nothing" but we must escape because there's bound to be another assassination attempt.

He either meant he might be the only one who has figured that out, or he's the only one who can stop it.

It seemed like he didn't want to be in a Klingon jail for something he didn't do but said they needed to escape to save the galaxy.

 

[cgervasi]

The Trap Set for Valaris

I've always thought he was onto her but wasn't 100 percent sure, his "I had a thought about that" after Spock told him that the assassins were aboard has always struck me as being about her.

Which is what I thought and the trap was to get her caught in the act. He mentions his log to her about part of the proof he has about the conspiracy.

I never realized what he meant by "I had a thought about that," but I agree with Kronos. He wasn't sure if she had recorded him standing at his door.

I never understood the trap. It seemed like a longshot. Why did Valaris fall for it? It depended on her a) believing she had been wrong about each of them being dead and b) that she could kill them successfully this time without being caught. The second part is hard for me believe. If they're in sick bay and someone possibly from security is on the way to take a statement, how could she get there and kill them. And what was up with Spock's line "you have to shoot"? It sounded good, but she'd have to stun him, then shoot him at close range for a prolonged period to kill him, and then escape without being scene. At that point, it would be obvious there's a murderer on board, and there would be further investigation.

Maybe she just went there to see what she could do to throw them off. When she found a darkened room, though, she should have known this was not the place with two patients in intensive care.

 

[FormerLurker]

She didn't need to record him. All she had to do was swipe(copy) the relevant passage from his log and turn it over to General Chang. She may have just given Chang the entire log entry.