Probably to avoid giving him a triple chin. Shatner was a little paunchy during the shoot.
Star Trek V: Mostly Awful Movie, Excellent Soundtrack
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Probably to avoid giving him a triple chin. Shatner was a little paunchy during the shoot.
STV was intended to be it when they made it. Because it did so poorly compared to the films before it, it was decided to give them one last film, and bring in Nicholas Meyer to direct it.
This is incorrect on many levels. The idea that TFF was "supposed to be the last film" is absolutely false. There is no evidence that supports this whatsoever, and in fact most of the interviews given at the time of the film's release completely contradict this.
Additionally, Paramount did not decide to do Star Trek VI based on the poor performance of TFF. That's counter-intuitive. They did TUC DESPITE the under performance of TFF, mainly due to the 25th anniversary.
You apparently weren't reading the same articles that I was. So much of the Star Trek that was produced through the early '90s was produced for one purpose; to appease the fans. Making certain the source of their profit margin is happy is a huge inspiration for movie studios to do many, many different things they often think are bad ideas.
Sequel this, same old same old that, copy, copy, copy isn't what the fans want, it's what the studio wants, because that's what the bean counters tell them will make money. But when the fans tell them "Give us this or we won't watch any of your other movies" that gets the bean counters to shut up, cast about for other ideas, and eventually cave and say "Give them this, or we'll go broke." It wasn't a studio decision that STV was poorly received so they want to do another one. It was fans saying "We want a better film for the last one from the original crew." And when the studio realized that the 25th anniversary was coming up fast, they put together STVI very quickly to make sure the fans wouldn't ruin them for not doing something for it.
And for the record, during the time STV was out, it was often said that it was intended to be the last one. Just as each film was intended to be the last one. Heck, TMP wasn't ever intended to have sequels. Until Paramount got tired of fans asking when one would be made.
Sequel this, same old same old that, copy, copy, copy isn't what the fans want, it's what the studio wants, because that's what the bean counters tell them will make money. But when the fans tell them "Give us this or we won't watch any of your other movies" that gets the bean counters to shut up, cast about for other ideas, and eventually cave and say "Give them this, or we'll go broke." It wasn't a studio decision that STV was poorly received so they want to do another one. It was fans saying "We want a better film for the last one from the original crew." And when the studio realized that the 25th anniversary was coming up fast, they put together STVI very quickly to make sure the fans wouldn't ruin them for not doing something for it.
And for the record, during the time STV was out, it was often said that it was intended to be the last one. Just as each film was intended to be the last one. Heck, TMP wasn't ever intended to have sequels. Until Paramount got tired of fans asking when one would be made.
This is a bizarre fantasy. The studio made TUC because they thought it would make money, as all the previous ones had, including TFF. If there was any threatened boycott of Paramount after TFF, it was by the same crazies who are currently campaigning for STB not to be made. A tiny minority with no discernible grasp on reality. Why would anyone pay attention to them?
While, objectively, ST5 is pretty poor as a movie, there is actually quite a lot to enjoy in it.
It certainly doesn't suffer from the number one sin in movies for me, it isn't boring.
Never saw why TFF is supposed to be a poor movie. Most criticize it for visual effects and the 74 decks. I think it's a good film on its own. The cast chemistry is really good in this one.
I think half the time we all get hung up on whether it is "good" or not (and "good" is very hard to make an objective point about) and not so much about whether we like it or not.
I watched the movie "non-stop" the other week, got slammed in a lot of critical reviews, but I quite liked it, there, I admitted it!
Chemistry is nice and all, but one thing Star Trek V did that I'm not fond of was that it treated the chemistry between Kirk, Spock and McCoy as the 'only' chemistry in Star Trek that matters. They get all the heartfelt and meaningful interactions while everyone, and I mean EVERYONE else sticks around to be the butt of the jokes.
I'm not sure that any of what you've said here makes even a little sense. They make movies because they're afraid the fans will be mad if they don't?
I know you seem emphatic about it, but there was absolutely, positively NO statement ever made that TFF was "intended to be the last one" (for the record indeed!). The only film in the entire franchise that ever had such statements attached to it was TUC (and, to a lesser degree, NEM).
If you can find one article, interview or YouTube video from the era that says that, I will certainly concede. What you will find are interviews with people asking if the title of the film was implying that the film was the end, and everyone denying that...saying that if the film is successful, that generally would mean a sequel.
TFF was not ever intended as the last film. And, the studio certainly didn't make VI because V wasn't financially successful. And they didn't make it because they were tired of fan pressure. They made it because they thought they'd make money, which is the same reason they made every film.
Yet another, telling me "You posted, therefore you are wrong." This conversation between you and I is a chicken steak, and I am sticking a fork in it, because it is done.
I was dismissive of the TFF soundtrack earlier, but recently, after watching TFF again, I have found a bit of music frequently recurring in my melody, a wistful rising-falling 5-note motif that occurs around the God Planet.
Not actually true. Sulu and Chekov are hiking together at the beginning of the movie, and ogling a Klingon woman at the end. There's a sort of Uhura/Scotty subplot running through the film too. I don't much care for these elements; they are not the main characters.
Heartfelt and meaningful. How did that apply to Sulu and Chekov being lost on Earth and having to pretend there is a blizzard when even a broken Enterprise could tell there wasn't one? And ogling at the Klingon woman's butt? Obviously on the same level as McCoy performing euthanasia on his suffering father. Uhura fan dancing naked? That's not the butt of a joke, that literally came from a joke on set that Shatner took seriously. And Uhura and Scotty's relationship? That wasn't a joke, that was just morbidly uncomfortable.
The opening soundtrack during Kirk's climb of El Capitan.
The campfire scene with Spock toasting marshmellows, McCoy's "secret ingredient" in the beans, and the sing a long. Magical dialogue for one of the most famous triumvirates in popular culture.
Nothing else matters about Star Trek V. I'll watch it just for the above.
The campfire scene with Spock toasting marshmellows, McCoy's "secret ingredient" in the beans, and the sing a long. Magical dialogue for one of the most famous triumvirates in popular culture.
Nothing else matters about Star Trek V. I'll watch it just for the above.
What "heartfelt and meaningful" moments did the second bananas get in most of the other movies? I can't think of many.
Chekov hurt his hand in TMP, and got slugged in TWOK. Sulu said "Don't call me tiny" in TSFS and dropped his teacup in TUC. Also in TUC, Uhura had to raid the library after the translator broke, and they all got to be nasty about the Klingons.
Scotty had the most to do through all the films, including TFF, where he was tasked with fixing the Enterprise in the face of various slapstick malfunctions, and breaking the big three out of the brig.
(There was also Scott and Chekov's appearance in GEN, which I think you'll agree is a slightly different scenario.)
It's hard to argue that the cast didn't seem to all get a bit more time on-screen in TFF.
The TNG film it is most like is INS, and actually both share the same flaws for the most part (bad script, terrible SFX, daft jokes, rubbish villain). However both actually have the same good points too (not dark and violent, seems to have been fun to make, quite a lot like the TV show in tone).
If someone put a gun to my head and said I had to watch one, I'd pick TFF I think!
The TNG film it is most like is INS, and actually both share the same flaws for the most part (bad script, terrible SFX, daft jokes, rubbish villain). However both actually have the same good points too (not dark and violent, seems to have been fun to make, quite a lot like the TV show in tone).
If someone put a gun to my head and said I had to watch one, I'd pick TFF I think!
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