Star Trek: TNG - Hive already has continuity flaw

[Starbreaker]

Just take a deep breath and remember that it's a form of entertainment and that none of the stuff onscreen or in the books or comics is actually real.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Just take a deep breath and remember that it's a form of entertainment and that none of the stuff onscreen or in the books or comics is actually real.

* stomps off to sit in New Therin Park *

 

[Cartoonist]

Ahh, but those aren't necessarily the same future! Remember, at the end of "Future's End," Captain Braxton's own history had been changed so that he had never been thrown back in time and had to live on 20th-century Earth. Yet the Braxton of "Relativity" remembered living on 20th-century Earth and had a grudge against Janeway because of it. They contradict each other, which is really just sloppy writing, but it certainly doesn't support your case that they're the same unalterable future.

I think most instances of sloppily written continuity errors in time-travel episodes can be chalked up to the concept of alternate universes. Writers can argue that when characters go back in time to change the past, they aren't changing their OWN past, they're actually creating an alternate universe. Then when they return to their "own" time, they're actually traveling forward into the future of that alternate reality they created. And in their original timeline, nothing's been changed and they've simply disappeared forever. So when Kirk went back in time to save those whales, HIS 23rd Century Earth still got destroyed. But the 23rd Century Earth in the NEW reality he created survives.

I actually think that argument was made clear by Abrams' film and the Countdown comics that preceded it (in which even after Spock and Nero disappeared into the black hole, Spock Prime remembered the universe in which Vulcan wasn't destroyed, and we were shown that the TNG universe we know continued to exist.

So in keeping with that principle, the Braxton who remembered what happened and the Braxton who never did any of it were not the same person; they were Braxtons from two different realities.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Ha ha, you're telling Christopher how Trek time travel works? You gotta read Watching the Clock. It not only makes every version of time travel in Trek history seem like it's part of a coherent system, but it tells a great story in it's own right too.

 

[Mike Winters]

Just take a deep breath and remember that it's a form of entertainment and that none of the stuff onscreen or in the books or comics is actually real.

* stomps off to sit in New Therin Park *

Like you would get a new one after the other one blew up...

Mike

 

[Sci]

how can you even use the term “real-world common sense,” when dealing with time-travel, something that is fantasy?

Because he was using the phrase "real-world common sense" in describing the creative intentions of Star Trek writers re stories set in the distant future, not how temporal physics would hypothetically work.

 

[fleetcaptain]

Kinda of interesting how its only Picard and Riker shown in most of the issue and no body else plus they didn't even show the Titan but mentioned her only. I do like the nod to Archer through, which a descent is serving aboard another Enterprise.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Like you would get a new one after the other one blew up...

Have you not read "The Typhon Pact: Paths of Disharmony"?

And, as of the latest "Titan" book, I have an Andorian warship as well.

 

[Luminus]

^Jumping to a conclusion is not okay when it contradicts virtually everything we know about Star Trek time travel. The future in the Trek universe is mutable. It's very mutable. I've given you the overwhelming in-story evidence that that's the case, and I've given you the real-world explanation why the storytellers adopted that policy. (That's what I mean by "real-world common sense." I'm not talking about the imaginary time-travel rules used within the fiction, but about the real-world reasons why it's sensible for writers in a shared fictional universe to favor a mutable future over a rigid one, because the latter would be too restrictive on their own or others' future storytelling choices.)

No, those stories you've narrowly fixated on (while ignoring quite a few others) do not blatantly contradict each other, but that does not even begin to prove that they couldn't be in separate timelines, or that the future can't change, especially when we have plenty of other evidence that it can and does change. Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

On top of everything else, you're making some rather rigid assumptions about the particular situation presented in Hive without even having read the whole story. At the very least, you should wait to get all the facts before you draw any conclusions. This whole conversation is premature.

I think you forgot to read this part of my post:

"Well, that’s the thing. We’ll just have to wait and see. But, yes, I am making the mistake of thinking this is real, but that’s what fans do."

@KingDaniel. Christopher isn't perfect. In any case, that book is on my amazon.com wish list. I'll see for myself if it makes sense and somehow makes all the time travel coherent, thank you.

 

[Mike Winters]

Like you would get a new one after the other one blew up...

Have you not read "The Typhon Pact: Paths of Disharmony"?

And, as of the latest "Titan" book, I have an Andorian warship as well.

I am actually re-reading a bunch of novels. Just re-finished Destiny last week. Soon I will be back to re-reading the TP books. So you got another park? I new you had a shiny old warship. But with that Captain she has.. it might not end up so shiny...

Mike

 

[Blip]

If the last one is anything to go by, that nice shiny new park probably won't stay that way for very long either...

 

[Therin of Andor]

If the last one is anything to go by, that nice shiny new park probably won't stay that way for very long either...

"Keep off the fatgrass."