Star Trek TNG Captian Picard was killed and replaced!

[Keith A Conrad]

I am rewatching the entire series as I haven't seen it since I was like 12 in the 90s.

I just watched S2E13 and I realized that as the two Picards are walking down the hall to the shuttle bay they effectivly swap personalities. The old picard starts talking about hiwbhe has to keave and the new one starts demanding answers.

If you pay attention after they leave the sick bay the new Picard is akways slightly in front and on the keft jand side of the screen. As they progress their allignment gets closer until they are side by side, still with new Picard on the left.

Riker comes up on the intercomm to tell the captian they are about to lose warp drive and both Picards answer together. They make eye contact and are abreast. Then THE ORIGIONAL PICARD PULLS AHEAD IN STRIDE!
After this the old Picard has switched narratives with the new. The old Picard attempts to board the shuttlecraft and the new Picard kills him with the phaser he grabbed from a the wall.

The new Picard killed the old one and from this point on Picard is technically a fraud. Even though he is the same oerson who would behave the same way. And it really makes no difference to the story except it happened! And no one else seems to have seen this! I can't find a single reference of anyone ever having brought this up!

 

[Herbert]

 

[Makarov]

Picard would be a lot more messed mentally up if that were the case. Plus they pretty much did that idea with Obrien in DS9 and concluded it's not a big deal to replace another version of yourself

 

[Keith A Conrad]

I am not sure it is a big deal. But it took me off guard and i wondered at the lack of disscussion on the matter. I think it was brilliant writing. My husband thinks it was a "happy accident". But I used a laser pointer to highlight the real Picard through the whoke scene and went through it several times to be sure. There is no doubt in my mind that based on the footage, whether it was intentional or not the origional Picard is the one who was killed.

 

[Dukhat]

It doesn’t really matter in the long run, because the next episode shows the same Picard we all know and love.

 

[Phoenix219]

They are literally the same person in the end, except now he remembers escaping death and getting a second chance to save his ship.

 

[USS Triumphant]

The loss of any Picard is a loss to all.

 

[Antonovus]

Maybe? But yeah...it does reset after this episode, which is why the scene is forgotten.

 

[Lance]

They are literally the same person in the end, except now he remembers escaping death and getting a second chance to save his ship.

This is a great explaination for the switch. In the end, it's the Picard who goes back in time that stops the events from happening again, whereas 'our' Picard, maybe overtaken by the momentum of time, tries to flee just as he had done the previous time around.

 

[NewHeavensNewEarth]

But I used a laser pointer to highlight the real Picard through the whoke scene and went through it several times to be sure. There is no doubt in my mind that based on the footage, whether it was intentional or not the origional Picard is the one who was killed.

Locutus would've liked that laser pointer idea. Top-notch investigating.

 

[Armus]

If he was killed and replaced, it must have occurred after season 5. The replacement seemed fatigued and tired compared to the Jean Luc from the first few seasons!

 

[Steven P Bastien]

In the corridor just before the shuttle bay, there is no sure way to know which is which. On their final turn, they may have swapped positions during the camera cut. (people on the right sometimes cutoff people on the left when they turn left, then cross over to the left side.) You don't know which is which at that point because they are both starting to answer Riker. In that final corridor the one on our left (his right) should be the younger version because he answers Riker first, but even that is not proof because maybe the older one answered first by reflex, while the younger one is focused on the problem. But, once they enter the shuttle bay we know which is which. Also, since the future version of the Captain and the shuttle disappear, there is no question.

 

[at Quark's]

With all those doubles they encounter over the years (parallel universes, time paradoxes, twins, transporter accidents, etc), and crewmen that are abducted only to return/be returned later, I'm almost wondering the opposite: after those 7 years, which major crew members can we be reasonably certain is still the same "copy" as the one we started out with? (Ignoring ordinary transports).

 

[Vger23]

There was a third Picard

On the grassy knoll.

 

[Dukhat]

Actually Picard was replaced some time between the end of All Good Things and the beginning of Generations, since Picard the explorer became Picard the action hero.

 

[Phoenix219]

Actually Picard was replaced some time between the end of All Good Things and the beginning of Generations, since Picard the explorer became Picard the action hero.

Thats because in the Nexus, Picards fantasy is to be an action hero.

 

[Finn]

I am rewatching the entire series as I haven't seen it since I was like 12 in the 90s.

I just watched S2E13 and I realized that as the two Picards are walking down the hall to the shuttle bay they effectivly swap personalities. The old picard starts talking about hiwbhe has to keave and the new one starts demanding answers.

If you pay attention after they leave the sick bay the new Picard is akways slightly in front and on the keft jand side of the screen. As they progress their allignment gets closer until they are side by side, still with new Picard on the left.

Riker comes up on the intercomm to tell the captian they are about to lose warp drive and both Picards answer together. They make eye contact and are abreast. Then THE ORIGIONAL PICARD PULLS AHEAD IN STRIDE!
After this the old Picard has switched narratives with the new. The old Picard attempts to board the shuttlecraft and the new Picard kills him with the phaser he grabbed from a the wall.

The new Picard killed the old one and from this point on Picard is technically a fraud. Even though he is the same oerson who would behave the same way. And it really makes no difference to the story except it happened! And no one else seems to have seen this! I can't find a single reference of anyone ever having brought this up!

First...welcome to the board

Secondly...a tip for a newbie...please cite the episode by name.

Thirdly...regarding your comment about the two Picards...

 

[Qonundrum]

Locutus would've liked that laser pointer idea. Top-notch investigating.

So would his cats. I don't recall where, but I'd read that laser pointer had cost $2000 back then. Fast forward a couple of decades and you can buy 667 of those things (albeit before sales tax) and get the same effect after loading the studio with a thin layer of puffy and presumably harmless smoke. Now there's a Photoshop just waiting to happen, please don't!

Man, they really did a first rate make-up job for Locutus. Holds up a lot better than the big movie versions with the magical nanite tubes and stuff, QWHO/TBOBW both feel more authentic despite a tinier budget...

That also reminds me, I need to get my car's radiator flush and hoses tightened. As well as buying those crunchy cat treat things that are ostensibly seafood flavored but their smell ain't seafood... which is okay, cats never really evolved to eat fish as such - the fact they won't go anywhere near water (or anywhere while on a leash) doubly proves it.

 

[urbandefault]

Captian Picard

Captian Picard was killed and replaced, early on, by Captain Picard. The one we all know.

But hey, spelling is hard.

 

[Batai]

If he was killed and replaced, it must have occurred after season 5. The replacement seemed fatigued and tired compared to the Jean Luc from the first few seasons!

I always noticed this, too. I attribute it to the lingering sense of homesickness and loss that Picard felt after his experience in "The Inner Light." I think Stewart really made that stay with Picard for the rest of the series.