Star Trek : Survival

[Brainsucker]

I just happen to have a new idea for Star Trek. It is... very different than the other, but it still Star Trek, because it is about people in a big Star Ship and explore the galaxy.

Instead of telling about the story of Elite Starfleet Officers with their shining Star Ship, the story is about civilians who ride on a passenger ship and encounter a strange anomaly that bring them to unknown space.

Not only that, just after sucked by the anomaly, they are transported to a very big alien starship that hide a lot of mystery and danger.

The story is about 1000 men and women from the passenger ship, who are not able to cooperate together. Several factions will born. The strongest will rule the ship and bring them back to the known space. But, the others will find a way to destroy the ruling faction.

Not only that, they also must face the unknown danger from the Alien Starship itself. Plus the encounter of unknown alien faction that love to eat human flesh from outside the ship.

The hero is the member of section 31 who aboard the passenger ship. He is just... tough guy just like Ethan Hawk guy from Mission Imposible 2. From time to time we will see dangerous dare devil action from the hero. But this guy is too tough to make him survive until the last episode. Plus he has a boy band pretty boy face to make young girl love this series.

What do you think about it?

 

[Scout101]

BSG and Voyager?

 

[Dukhat]

but it still Star Trek, because it is about people in a big Star Ship and explore the galaxy.

And that's the only similarity. Other than that, it's nothing like a Star Trek series would be. However, it might work as a stand-alone Skiffy movie-of-the week.

Oh, and Section 31? Overrated.

 

[AviTrek]

And the ship is called the Destiny, the two factions are lead by Colonel Young and Doctor Rush, and the show is called Star Trek Universe.

 

[Shatnertage]

It's kind of like Lost? With a bigger cast?

 

[All Seeing Eye]

but it still Star Trek, because it is about people in a big Star Ship and explore the galaxy.

And that's the only similarity. Other than that, it's nothing like a Star Trek series would be. However, it might work as a stand-alone Skiffy movie-of-the week.

Oh, and Section 31? Overrated.

This is the exact same reaction I get time after time after time when ever I present and idea that's different from all the other Trek series.

The response is always, " this might aswell be a stand alone series that has nothing to do with Trek".

It's ridiculous to constantly say that just because it's different to all the other Trek. The whole point of coming up with new and fresh ideas is in order to re-invent Trek and make it more interesting, more appealing and something new to watch.

If any future Trek series is based on precisely the same as all the previous Treks then what is the point? it will just continue to be ignored by none Trekkers and Trekkers will just piss and moan that it's the same old same old.

There is nothing wrong with coming up with totally new and totally fresh ideas and place it within the Trekverse. It's Trek because it's IN the Trekverse.

It's no wonder Trek has died it's death because Trekkies such as yourself cry foul whenever an idea is presented that's new and different.
You can't have it both ways, you can't demand new fresh Trek and then cry and moan when it's not a replica of past Trek.

Now I'm not saying the idea presented by the OP is any good nor am I saying it's not got hints of other shows in it but always suggesting something should not be Trek because it's different from what we've become accustomed to is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[Scout101]

Feel free to defend your ideas further, rather than just leaving every time they are questioned, then.

And like it or not, after 28 seasons on tv, 11 movies, plus assorted other stuff, there's a pretty well established idea of what makes it "Trek". You can push CSI:Andor all you want, but without giving people what they expect from Trek, you aren't really doing yourself any favors. You're presenting a unique idea (well, not CSI, but you get the idea), but just shoehorning in elements someone else came up with to save time.

Fitting your idea into an established framework is key to the process. If it doesn't fit, you're better off pitching it as original rather than forcing it into a mold it doesn't fit in.

Trek is about star ships, Starfleet, aliens, phasers, transporters, and generally humanity bettering itself, and exploring. If that's not the kind of story you want to tell, don't just tell a random story and call it Trek, just write your own story and let it stand on its own.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

like it or not, after 28 seasons on tv, 11 movies, plus assorted other stuff, there's a pretty well established idea of what makes it "Trek".

Trek is about star ships, Starfleet, aliens, phasers, transporters, and generally humanity bettering itself, and exploring. If that's not the kind of story you want to tell, don't just tell a random story and call it Trek, just write your own story and let it stand on its own.

You like the other poster are completely wrong.

You're simply too scared to break the Trek mould and explore other aspects of Trek, to explore other aspects of the Trekverse.

The Trekverse is a unique universe and there are aspects of it you don't see and will never learn about if you don't break the mould.

You're watching the Trekverse wearing blinkers, all you can see is the Starfleet ship and the Starfleet crew, if you take your blinkers off you'll realise there's a lot more that can be seen and an alternate type of story can tell us all about it.

I as a Trek fan want to see more of the Trekverse and I don't care whether it's through Starfleet or not.

There is absolutely no reason to put a limit on Star Trek. "Star Trek has to do this this and this and have that that and that".
No! it doesn't, it can go and do whatever it wants, all it requires is creative writing.

 

[skep155]

like it or not, after 28 seasons on tv, 11 movies, plus assorted other stuff, there's a pretty well established idea of what makes it "Trek".

Trek is about star ships, Starfleet, aliens, phasers, transporters, and generally humanity bettering itself, and exploring. If that's not the kind of story you want to tell, don't just tell a random story and call it Trek, just write your own story and let it stand on its own.

You like the other poster are completely wrong.

You're simply too scared to break the Trek mould and explore other aspects of Trek, to explore other aspects of the Trekverse.

The Trekverse is a unique universe and there are aspects of it you don't see and will never learn about if you don't break the mould.

You're watching the Trekverse wearing blinkers, all you can see is the Starfleet ship and the Starfleet crew, if you take your blinkers off you'll realise there's a lot more that can be seen and an alternate type of story can tell us all about it.

I as a Trek fan want to see more of the Trekverse and I don't care whether it's through Starfleet or not.

There is absolutely no reason to put a limit on Star Trek. "Star Trek has to do this this and this and have that that and that".
No! it doesn't, it can go and do whatever it wants, all it requires is creative writing.

As someone who is happy for Star Trek to try new things as long as a network is willing to fund it, I don't have a problem with your ideas being 'unique', I have a problem with them being bad. Well not entirely bad, they are no better or worse than some of the other ideas that fans come up with, but they are no where near approaching the level of quality needed for them to be realized as a successful television programme.

 

[AviTrek]

like it or not, after 28 seasons on tv, 11 movies, plus assorted other stuff, there's a pretty well established idea of what makes it "Trek".

Trek is about star ships, Starfleet, aliens, phasers, transporters, and generally humanity bettering itself, and exploring. If that's not the kind of story you want to tell, don't just tell a random story and call it Trek, just write your own story and let it stand on its own.

You like the other poster are completely wrong.

You're simply too scared to break the Trek mould and explore other aspects of Trek, to explore other aspects of the Trekverse.

The Trekverse is a unique universe and there are aspects of it you don't see and will never learn about if you don't break the mould.

You're watching the Trekverse wearing blinkers, all you can see is the Starfleet ship and the Starfleet crew, if you take your blinkers off you'll realise there's a lot more that can be seen and an alternate type of story can tell us all about it.

I as a Trek fan want to see more of the Trekverse and I don't care whether it's through Starfleet or not.

There is absolutely no reason to put a limit on Star Trek. "Star Trek has to do this this and this and have that that and that".
No! it doesn't, it can go and do whatever it wants, all it requires is creative writing.

Ask yourself this question, does attaching the Star Trek name add value to your project? Adding the Star Trek name means you have to pay for it. Does being Star Trek increase the revenue enough to pay for the name? Does having the Star Trek name increase the story possibilities? Or does it limit you to playing by the established rules? If adding Star Trek does not add value, then there is no reason to add it.

I'm not opposed to stretching Star Trek. I loved DS9. I wish Voyager had been the gritty show with limited resources. But both those shows still made sense within Star Trek. Too often your ideas feel like independent shows with Star Trek tacked on.

 

[Dukhat]

This is the exact same reaction I get time after time after time when ever I present and idea that's different from all the other Trek series.

The response is always, " this might aswell be a stand alone series that has nothing to do with Trek".

You get this reaction from people because it's true. Telling me I'm wrong and ignoring other people when they're telling you things you don't want to hear isn't going to change the core idea that Star Trek, like Star Wars and BSG, is a CONCEPT. Changing the core concept of what something is confuses and alienates the people who are used to what that concept is. That's why JJ Abrams made Star Trek '09: He knew that the concept of TOS was the jackpot in terms of getting people interested again in Star Trek.

 

[All Seeing Eye]

OMG! the idea in this thread isn't even mine so why the heck is everyone gong on about MY ideas. I bet none of you could possibly even name one of my dozens of ideas.

Well here's a recap of how great my ideas are and every single one is Trek worthy:

Star Trek: Dimensional Shift

Star Trek: The Fringe

Star Trek: Galaxies

Would you go for this Trek idea?

Star Trek: The Alpha Quadrant Chronicles.

Star Trek: Jumper

Star Trek: Epimetheus

Star Trek: Changeling

Star Trek: Dawn Of The Commonwealth Of Empires

Preliminary Ideas For New Trek Series

New Borg As Enemy Of New Series

The Ultimate New Series.

Best possible enemy for new series?

An Opportunity To Merge My Old Idea With NuTrek

 

[Scout101]

Common thread seems to be that you're having trouble convincing even hard core Trek fans (those of us on a message board for it) that the ideas have much merit, so don't think you've hit on any mainstream winners yet, Tacky. Or, when questioned on your idea past the superficial stage, you abandon it in favor of a new idea.

If the guys in the Vulcan ears aren't interested in your vision of Star Trek, joe blow down the street probably won't watch...

 

[Dukhat]

OMG! the idea in this thread isn't even mine so why the heck is everyone gong on about MY ideas. I bet none of you could possibly even name one of my dozens of ideas.

First of all, no one is picking on you; they're just saying that the majority of your ideas are not typical of the concept of ST that will be accepted by anyone wanting to create a new Trek series. Stop getting so defensive. And second, are you implying that since you're not the OP, that no one else is allowed to respond to your responses? That's not how it works here, and I think you know that.

Well here's a recap of how great my ideas are and every single one is Trek worthy

No offense, but just because you personally think that what you came up with is great, by no means does that preclude that others will feel the same way.

Or, when questioned on your idea past the superficial stage, you abandon it in favor of a new idea.

^This. Anyone can come up with tons of "great" ideas, but if if they don't get past the idea stage and into the development stage, why would anyone think they're great other than you?

 

[illeanacross]

I bet none of you could possibly even name one of my dozens of ideas.

To be honest, having so many different ideas doesn't really show your commitment to them in the first place. Jumping from one idea to the next basically tells everyone that you're not happy with an idea, so you're trying to find the one you are happy with.

I've read a lot of your ideas and while some of them would make a decent sci-fi premise, I haven't seen one that really fits within the Star Trek universe.

Have you ever tried turning any of your ideas into an actual teleplay? I'm a screenwriter and I can tell you that a lot of the time, the idea might seem the best out there, but you can only really tell when you're sitting down and writing it out.

 

[Brainsucker]

Sorry for being go for a long time. I have gone on several days working trip in my country.

What is the problem of watching a Star Trek from the point of view of Civilians? We have seen a lot of the repetitive Star Fleet action. They just well, typical elite people from a perfect faction who tell the other people that they're right. Just a kind of a group of Mary Sue and Gary Stu personnels in an unchallenged starship

The civilians are a bunch of untrained people with undisciplined behavior when they face a trouble. While we have seen a lot of civilian type of space drama, we haven't seen any perfect faction like Federation's civilians in trouble. So, it would be interesting to see they face the trouble.

What do you expect from Mr. Worf who face a delicate computer system in an alien ship? Just open his tricoder do some magical stuff, and viola, the problem solved. But if the person who face the trouble is a farmer, or a housewife, the problem will become very interesting to see. Look at how they yell or shouting because of the "trivial" problem that we have seen in Trek Movie. Not only that, we will to see how funny a banker who sit on the phaser cannon. Look how he handles the mega weaponry, or a nerd who must face one one one battle against a Klingon. Everything will give use fresh show. But of course, we will always need professional to do heroic action. so, i just put a section 31 agent on the story. A kind of Ethan Hunt / New Kirk person, but must hide his identity because of the mission he has.

Well, about Lost in space setting.... It will not like that if we still use the Star Trek flavor to the game. So what the different? What is the non Star Trek material in this idea? There are a secret star fleet agent, there is a huge mysterious but powerful starship, there are aliens, and there are actually a trek. The different is that we don't have Mary sue or Gary Stu type of personnel here, except for the Ethan Hunt Kind Character.

 

[illeanacross]

The problem with setting it from a civilian's point of view is that, we've seen that now. We saw that in Firefly. And while it could be an interesting premise, it's just not Star Trek. People don't watch Trek to see civilians struggle. They tune in to see Starfleet officers, dealing in diplomacy and investigating strange new worlds.

Now what would be interesting is having a Star Trek show that doesn't have the Mary Sue characters. That doesn't mean you have to radically change the setting of the show,, it just means you have to develop the characters more than they've been developed before. Develop a story that sticks to the original format just enough but doesn't alienate existing fans.

Deep Space Nine did a great job with that. It was close enough to the previous shows that it clearly existed in the same universe but it dealt with things in a vastly different way.

 

[Brainsucker]

Yeah, I know DS9 is a good TV show. they have even show Star Trek Universe from the POV of civilians. I forget it. Maybe I just bored because of the lack of seeing new Star Trek Series on TV / have to wait too long for Star Trek XII

The source of this idea is because I want to put some horror element to Star Trek (LOL), just like Event Horizon, and the other. I can even think about Captain Picard versus Zombie (LOL). But whatever I just bored and write my evil thought on the board

 

[FordSVT]

It sounds like Voyager meets SG: Universe.

Tacky, I have no idea how you can sit there with such righteous indignation and post in the manner in which you have in this thread. "You're wrong! You guys are stupid for not seeing how great I am! Epimethus just rolls right off the tongue!"

And you know what? People do pick on you and judge your ideas more harshly than "random internet person" because you've made it your business to become a character on this board who has made it his express duty in life to call attention to himself and insult the intelligence of as many people as he possibly can get away with. You now have years of posting history behind you and if you don't like the fact that there are repercussions for your previous behaviour, go post some place else. No one is judging you for your attempts to be creative, they're judging you like some producer at CBS or Paramount would judge your ideas, that is "beyond the five minutes of thought you put into your fifteenth idea this week".

Many of the most creative, successful people around make a career out of coming up with a million different ideas and seeing what sticks and what doesn't, so there is no shame in that whatsoever. The part that makes you look terrible is the part where you get insulted and don't listen to anyone who critiques what you have to say. Those types of people end up penniless and living in a basement because "everyone but them is an idiot". You need to learn to shut up and listen, all you do is the shit-slinging part.

 

[Brainsucker]

I don't know about Firefly. Is it good? Well, if it has been used by another TV program, then this idea is pointless.