Star Trek supporters sound off!

[Woulfe]

I think the case with TMP was we hadn't had new Trek for so long our expectaions might of been a bit TOO high for it.
We were expecting it to be like an huge episode of the series, and well, what we got was a MOVIE not a 2 part episode of the show, we wern't expecting that at all.

TMP was just too big for it's own good, it was only a few years later that we really understood what TMP was trying to tell us, I blame the fact that we were watching a rough cut of the film all that time only didn't know it.

The "FINISHED" version of TMP puts the point across much better and if it had been like that in 1979 we'd only be happyer with the end result, but we can't undo what happened, Paramount seemed at the time to be under the impression that one can make a good sci-fi flick in a verry short time, they KNOW better now don't they ?

When I first saw TMP I was all misty-eyed like so many others but after repeat viewings something started to bother me, I didn't know what it was at the time, but later I found out, it wasn't finished, it never felt finished, it felt like a work print, we'll put better things here later, little did I know HOW much later it would be.

It was worth the wait.

THIS time however I feel, it's gonna get done right, plenty of time, plenty of money, a big EVENT Star Trek film, what TMP should of been had Paramount not set the release date in stone for it in the first place.

 

[Lord Lunacy]

Just seeing that promo pic of the Big E with those hopped up engines gets my support. The Enterprise will be the Farrari of Starships!

Let the nonsupporters stew in their own juices until they evaporate, while we enjoy new-old Trek Goodness. You know they'll see the movie anyway...though they'll never admit it to anyone else.

 

[Dayton Ward]

I've been a Trek fan as far back as I can remember. I missed the original run as I was in the womb (or had recently relocated from it, and had other priorities like sleeping, eating, and shitting my diaper), but I watched the reruns every day after school, and remember watching the animateds on Saturday mornings. I made my own adventures with the Mego figures, built the models, colored the coloring books, whatever.

The original is and always will be my favorite, and regardless of what the purists tell us we should be thinking, I'm stoked about the new film.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

I'll be there opening night. You're right, to hell with canon, what matters are a great story, great characters, great visuals... entertainment! It'll be new and different, but it'll still be Star Trek, how very cool is that!

It will be fantastic, a box office hit, and it will bring Trek back big time! I am so excited, I'm making everybody mad!

Count me in as a faithful supporter.

And btw., Captain Schnitzel would hava been great. That's my boyfriend's favourite meal *grin*.

 

[Dayton Ward]

^ I don't think I'm going so far as "to hell with canon" in the strictest sense, but I'm not worried about what will/won't be observed in the new film. Another poster in another thread likened this to what Singer did with Superman Returns, in that he was consistent with the broad strokes of continuity and even tied into certain important/watershed events of the previous films, all while making concessions for the realities of today's filmmaking process and the modern-day audience (updated tech/fashions/effects/etc.).

It's a tough balancing act, but if Abrams and company can pull it off and give us an entertaining story, that'll be more than enough to make me happy.

 

[PKTrekGirl]

I'll see this movie regardless. I suppose that I'd like for it to loosely follow canon...but I've never been one who obsesses about every little obscure point of canon so I'm not really worried.

I think it is more important for this to be a good film than a film that is tied in every little point to canon.

And I will most certainly see it.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Dayton Ward said:
^ I don't think I'm going so far as "to hell with canon" in the strictest sense, but I'm not worried about what will/won't be observed in the new film. Another poster in another thread likened this to what Singer did with Superman Returns, in that he was consistent with the broad strokes of continuity and even tied into certain important/watershed events of the previous films, all while making concessions for the realities of today's filmmaking process and the modern-day audience (updated tech/fashions/effects/etc.).

It's a tough balancing act, but if Abrams and company can pull it off and give us an entertaining story, that'll be more than enough to make me happy.

I actually agree with you. When I say "to hell with it", I mean all those little details I love on TOS, but don't care whether they are on the new movie or not: like where the Ent is built, or the nacelles, or the colour of the hull, or whether Kirk's eyes are green or brown. You get the picture.

And you're right. Some continuity with "Star Trek" should be there, but nitpicking just makes your life harder, and I WANT to enjoy the movie.

 

[zakfa]

I'll be there opening night. I mean, I went the first night Nemesis came out How could I miss this?!

I've been in wait and see mode but I have to admit the teaser gives me a good feeling about the film. This film feels more like an "event" movie with a big budget than the last few incarnations.

 

[Kegek]

I'm keeping an open mind. Canon doesn't bother me much, only quality - so I'm less concerned that this is a reboot than, say, the screenwriters penned Transformers. Neither they nor Abrams has ever made anything that interested me, which is more important than the fact William Shatner is not appearing. Giacchino has, though, so I eagerly await his score.

Unlike some, I don't connect this film to TOS. I think its relationship to TOS will be akin to Superman Returns relationship to Superman: The Movie. This is obstensibly a return to the old, but is in fact something new: It's the biggest change the franchise has had since 1987.

And. truth be told, I'll probably go see this film anyway. Even if the reviewers condemn it. It's Leonard Nimoy as Spock one last time, after all. And I did go to see Star Trek: Nemesis.

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Personally, I'd be just as excited about this film even if it was a complete reboot. My personal preference would be for it to be part of the established Trek continuity, but so long as it is good and recognizably "Star Trek" then I don't care.

It has James T Kirk in it (even if it doesn't have The Shat) & that's a big plus for me right out of the gate.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

InstantKarma said:There seem to be a number of threads started by disgruntled individuals with topics saying they won't support the film since:

It doesn't have Shatner
It messes with canon too much
It doesn't have a Mugatu or Finney or other obscure references
It's a remake or reboot or revamp or redux
The Enterprise is clearly more advanced
Everything is more advanced and better looking visually than the 60s TV show

That's an utter mischaracterization of the positions being put forward.

"Different" isn't "more advanced," just for instance.

Nobody has argued that things shouldn't look better than they did in the 1960s. But "different" isn't "better" or "more advanced."

When you mischaracterize the actual arguments being made, you undercut your OWN argument.

So, this thread is for the people who love this BOLD new vision to sound off.

I'll be there.

I'll be there even if they made Uhura from Brooklyn.
I'll be there even if Pike is killed in action, and Kirk takes over.
I'll be there even if they make Yeoman Rand into YeoMAN Rand.
I'll be there even if they start a new line of canon.
I'll be there even if old Spock is in a clearly different future than the one we know from the previous canon.

Time for the supporters to sound off.

From the teaser trailer, everyone knows that this is a MASSIVE science fiction film. It's not a STAR TREK film, it's a SCIENCE FICTION film.

You know what Star Trek films are? Formulaic. Ever since TWOK, with only a couple exceptions (TVH, TFF, and INS).

If so much detail and SCALE is put into the teader alone, imagine what the film will be like.

I wouldn't be surprised if the bridge was actually a multi-level complex that overlooked science stations below the command center.

Anyway, this thread is for the supporters to sound off.

I'd welcome everything you just said... if it weren't pretending to be the same thing we had.

You can't have it both ways. It's either something new, or it's not. If you want something new... an african-descended female communications officer from Brooklyn, we can have her. But she's not Nyota Uhura, who was from Africa.

So, why reuse the same NAME if it's not the same CHARACTER?

 

[InstantKarma]

^LOL

Looks like a Star Trek hater in my thread. Git!

 

[Temis the Vorta]

I'll be happy if any variations from canon are clearly justified by the simple fact that they make for a better story.

Violating canon in the cause of a good story is good. Violating canon because you're too lazy or sloppy to avoid it is bad.

As ever, my support for Star Trek is anything but mindlessly unconditional. When it's good, I say so. When it's bad, I say so. Same as always.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

Yes, but to you, it won't be bad just because the bleeping on the bridge is missing or something equally unimportant.

 

[DeafPoet]

Cary L. Brown said:
Nobody has argued that things shouldn't look better than they did in the 1960s. But "different" isn't "better" or "more advanced."

Actually, by definition both "better" and "more advanced" are "different".

And why the hell shouldn't it be different? Are you so married to control consoles made of jelly beans that you're afraid to see a good flick?

Why call her Uhura if she's from Brooklyn? Because Uhura's more than a chick from Africa, that's why. Does it really matter where she came from? As long as she's Uhura. Same goes for the rest of the characters.

 

[CommanderRaytas]

As long as the Vulcan's still from, uh, you know, Vulcan.

Other than that, go ahead with "different". I don't mind as long as the movie is good.

 

[Gepard]

Temis the Vorta said:
...As ever, my support for Star Trek is anything but mindlessly unconditional...

And yet you post here anyway.